What did we learn week 3!?!
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Saint Francis is very dangerous when they put it all together. Beat a very good top 20 Mt. Prospect team.. Athletes all over the field. Should make a deep run in 4A. Have about 6-8 Division 1 talents. Obviously TJ Mcmillen the 3rd ranked CT in the nation. Adam Criter 2024 ATH just was offered by San Diego, offers for him should start rolling in, and freshman WR Ian Willis will be a 4 star by the time he's a junior. Never seen such a polished WR at that age. But if they clean up their special teams mishaps, and take care of the ball like they did the past 2 weeks they will be a problem in 4A.
That's not a good indicator of talent level state to state. It also varies year to year. In an anomaly year, Illinois could have more in the top 30 than Florida or Texas. Doesn't mean we are the equivalent in football.
Yea….no chance to even be close.
IL has one this year and he’s from MO.
In 2021 the top Rivals recruit in IL was Mac Uihlein, and he was 182nd in the country.
This year you have Burden #6 and Kaleb Brown at 75. This is a good year in state by those numbers.
The individuals that make the decisions on rankings really don't have connections to Illinois. There are a lot of great players in Illinois.
Newt, More importantly you forgot to mention that Mundelein should be 3 - 0 if not for a last 2nd Hail Mary touchdown and 2 point conversion to beat them in week 2. Let's see what they can bring at Stevenson this week. Mundy QB is a beast both running and throwing at 6'4 200 pounds. Wish they aired it out more but coach wants to become Cary Grove. Lucero gets the pub playing for Warren, this Mundy kid is better.
Thanks yah I’ve heard great things about him. I was high on the mustangs to start the year. Hoping they can get to 5 wins.
Agree on the number of great players. These recruiting rankings these day are skewered towards the SE, TX, and Cali.
So the recruiting rankings, FBS teams and the NFL are all skewed towards these areas and states as well? Maybe because that is where the best overall talent comes from. Currently in the NFL, the states which has the most players in the league are Fla(212), Cali (191), Texas(179) and Georgia (120). The next highest state has 82. SIx of the top eight states for producing current NFL talent comes from the areas you reference. Of course there are good players everywhere, but the data shows that there is more talent in Tex, Cali and the SE.
Or maybe because those are the largest states in the country. Sure numbers would suggest more players from those states in every level of football. Those numbers have more to do with population and not skill of a kid within a state.
When done per capita those states are far superior, even Missouri is way ahead of Illinois in talent produced.
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Fair enough. However if you look at states with the most players per capita in the NFL it is still dominated by southern states. Most players per capita by state list:
1. Georgia
2. Louisiana
3. Alabama
4. Mississippi
5. Florida
6. Delaware?
7. South Carolina
8. Hawaii
9. Texas
10.Tennessee
I would guess the same would hold true for these state in regards to kids in FBS schools (with the exception of Delaware, that has to be an anomaly)
So, what many are communicating is that making it to the NFL is purely scientific. In other words, professional sports is the only industry and construct that is exempt from being influenced by where you’re located (geography) and who you know (networking/politics).
The only reason that kids travel across the country, leaving their homes/parents/communities in high school to go to an IMG is because they feel that they will get more exposure because of this construct.
Although being great and highly-skilled in their hometown (enough to be recruited by an IMG), the selling point for IMG is their networking.
SMH. You guys will accept anything you’re told, even if it’s to your own detriment.
It’s business.
The only reason that kids travel across the country, leaving their homes/parents/communities in high school to go to an IMG is because they feel that they will get more exposure because of this construct.
Although being great and highly-skilled in their hometown (enough to be recruited by an IMG), the selling point for IMG is their networking.
SMH. You guys will accept anything you’re told, even if it’s to your own detriment.
It’s business.
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Huh? Are you implying that making an NFL team is not based on talent? Or is there a big conspiracy to keep people from Illinois out of the NFL? I'm not sure what your point is. Every measurable stat shows that there is more talent in the warm weather states. To suggest otherwise is just wrong.
I never used the word conspiracy. I did, however, explain marketing and business. Ya know, the thing that makes you buy Tide over Gain, while not knowing the contents of either.
There are plenty of NFL caliber people who never make it to the NFL because of extenuating circumstances. This is what prep schools are built on; to give kids the best opportunity given their skill set.
Most kids from everywhere else have to travel to those locations and attend camps in those areas in order to get national exposure, while National exposure is practically set up in their backyard.
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Isn’t the best WR on IMG from Illinois? He will now be a product of Florida. Had he stayed in Illinois, will he have been rated as high as he is now? I’m not talking the amount of offers, I’m simply talking ratings and rankings.
Where you are matters when it comes to rankings and ratings however, the skill can be the same. A kid will be 3 star in Illinois and move to Florida and become a 5 star. It’s the same person but location change the ranking.
Business decision:
Adoree' Jackson - Wikipedia
On second thought, never mind me……. You’re right. I’m wrong.
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So no one would have recruited him had he stayed in Illinois? Currently two of the most highly recruited players in the country are a pair of 5 stars in Iowa, if they moved to Florida would they become 6 stars and get a second offer from Alabama to go along with the first one?Business decision:
Adoree' Jackson - Wikipedia
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On second thought, never mind me……. You’re right. I’m wrong.
Statistics show if he stayed at Belleville East he would not have gotten recruited. The numbers are the numbers right?
He’s a Californian STATISTIC.
But, I already conceded. You’re RIGHT. If nowhere else on the planet, at least on this board YOU ARE RIGHT. Disregard folks with first-hand knowledge.
I’ll just leave my knowledge/talents out West, SE, and Texas where people understand the business and marketing side of things.
I’m so glad we had this time together……..
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There isn’t one stat that backs that up your claim, Illinois produces less blue chips but it still produces them. Why is the TE from Alabama a Chicago kid? Illinois doesn’t produce near the talent that other states do but the big time talent in this state get to pick where they go.
You believe college coaches pass on better talent so they can get kids who have better marketing? They must not like their jobs since if you want to win you go get the best talent regardless of location or otherwise you go find another job.
For someone who has “real” knowledge of recruiting you sure sound clueless.
Has Belleville ever had 1 blue chip athlete? I don't recall one ever but I may missed something.
They just had one but he transferred to EStL after his sophomore year. Did you miss that since he had offers in hand before he transferred.
Keith Randolph was a solid prospect out of Belleville.
You may want to get your facts straight on this. SMH
Kinda strange that you actually believe that you know something about our program, beyond us.
But, you just go right ahead.
This newspaper article backs up everything I said or is the article wrong? You are on your way to becoming the new IG88 on this board.
Nobody from Belleville transferred to ESL with an offer in hand. No one ever!
That being said, based on statistics that you all are using, the only way for Adore to be a blue chip recruit was to transfer to Cali which he did. Somehow one of the top recruits in the country had zero college interest while at Belleville even after placing second in the long jump as a freshman.
He had ZERO offers while at West. I repeat zero! You are actually proving the point that exposure changes everything. I will also add that East and West are too different schools!
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I'm learning so much from week 3. I can't wait to see what Week 4 has in store.
So you believe the only reason he made it to the NFL is because he moved to California? In that case, I'm moving tomorrow so my kid can play major college football!Business decision:
Adoree' Jackson - Wikipedia
On second thought, never mind me……. You’re right. I’m wrong.
And why are you so angry?
I think the argument is that players go to certain states for greater exposure, then are counted for that particular state and not IL. Adoree Jackson for example, Brook's very own Marques Buford, JJ McCarthy, etc fall under this umbrella. This skews the #'s into looking more lopsided than they are.
While they do say that they'll find the talent where it's at, it does seem that where it's at may also make a difference.
While they do say that they'll find the talent where it's at, it does seem that where it's at may also make a difference.
Bones, I applaud your very simple and succinct summary. I’m not sure how or why anything else was derived from the Adoree’s (my nephew) example; skewing the numbers. A small-town Illinois kid was able to move to lauded California and outrank all the Californians in his class only after his parents (carefully and reluctantly) decided to send him out there. He is one example of many kids from underrepresented areas being forced to move/make business decisions to provide the best opportunities for their futures. Is it always a requirement? NO. But does moving increase your chances of exposure? Unequivocally, YES.
The high school that he went to in California is a pipeline to USC; which is why USC courted him all throughout his remaining years in high school after transferring there, and they promised to make him a TRUE FRESHMAN after their relationship with him through high school.
Here’s a great question for everyone:
Why was Adoree not playing varsity as a Freshman for Belleville East? He may have helped them beat WWS (🤡) in the semi-finals that year.
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