Success Factor/NAZ

[olderbytheminute]

The part that gets me is Naz and JCA could go to title and get bumped up to 6a for 2 years but no matter what happens in the next 2 year period they can’t stay in 6a. Gotta love the IHSA.

I don’t get why you think that statement makes no sense.
If Naz and JCA get success-factored up to 6a for next two years and then don’t have that same level of success then why should they continue to be success-factor multiplied.
You apparently think that if they are succes-multiplied into 6a they should stay in that class …. Forever?
The purpose of the success factor is basically to move repeat state-finalists from private schools up a class and then to drop them back to their enrollment-multiplied class if the state-final success can’t continue.
That would seem to make better sense than any suggestion of once you are success-factored up a class that is your new class forever unless you keep playing at ISU or enrollment drops.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Sure they can stay in 6a, just play up from 5A after two year period is over…no?

 

[rink62221]

ESL should petition up to 8A as they are a national power

East Side's conference, the Southwestern Conference, will not permit the Flyers to petition to play above 6A. All of the other teams are either 7A or 8A and don't want to deal with them in the playoffs.

 

[Green Knights 17]

They won't need to petition up they'll be successful factored up.

Question for Naz guys. What is the enrollment like at Naz? Has it increased recently? With next year being the start of a new 2 year cycle for classification plus success factor will Naz be 6A or 7A next year? Their enrollment is listed at 1180 and the largest 5A team is 1272 so they're close to the top of 5A currently.

Naz enrollment is around 800 and they can only fit around 825 in the building.

 

[Kevin JCHS 81]

I don’t get why you think that statement makes no sense.
If Naz and JCA get success-factored up to 6a for next two years and then don’t have that same level of success then why should they continue to be success-factor multiplied.
You apparently think that if they are succes-multiplied into 6a they should stay in that class …. Forever?
The purpose of the success factor is basically to move repeat state-finalists from private schools up a class and then to drop them back to their enrollment-multiplied class if the state-final success can’t continue.
That would seem to make better sense than any suggestion of once you are success-factored up a class that is your new class forever unless you keep playing at ISU or enrollment drops.

I think you misunderstood the irony of what he was saying.

They could both be SF'd up to 7A, BUT no matter what they can't stay in 6A after 2 years.

EDIT: after 2 years in 6A, it's either back to 5A, or up to 7A. Without a petition.

 

[Snetsrak61]

I don’t get why you think that statement makes no sense.
If Naz and JCA get success-factored up to 6a for next two years and then don’t have that same level z of success then why should they continue to be success-factor multiplied.
You apparently think that if they are succes-multiplied into 6a they should stay in that class …. Forever?
The purpose of the success factor is basically to move repeat state-finalists from private schools up a class and then to drop them back to their enrollment-multiplied class if the state-final success can’t continue.
That would seem to make better sense than any suggestion of once you are success-factored up a class that is your new class forever unless you keep playing at ISU or enrollment drops.

What's the justification for moving them up in the first place? To get them in the "right" class presumably? We'll then I guess merely failing to trophy twice doesn't mean they are in the wrong class either.

If you win too much your in the wrong class and then if you don't win enough you're in the wrong class. It's Schrodinger's classification.

IHSA should get rid of all success based classification metrics (including the multiplier waiver, IMO). They just don't make sense. Figure out other classification methods than enrollment if you want, but being successful in your class shouldn't indicate an incorrect classification.

 

[olderbytheminute]

What's the justification for moving them up in the first place? To get them in the "right" class presumably? We'll then I guess merely failing to trophy twice doesn't mean they are in the wrong class either.

If you win too much your in the wrong class and then if you don't win enough you're in the wrong class. It's Schrodinger's classification.

IHSA should get rid of all success based classification metrics (including the multiplier waiver, IMO). They just don't make sense. Figure out other classification methods than enrollment if you want, but being successful in your class shouldn't indicate an incorrect classification.

I agree with you in that I do not like the success factor. But that was not your point.
Your point was they should stay in 6a if they are succes-factored into that class and since there is a success factor in existence, sticking a school with a success factor multiplier forever makes zero sense.
If your argument is that there should be no success factor or there should be a success factor for every school playing football, that’s a discussion I would like to see the ihsa have.

 

[Snetsrak61]

I agree with you in that I do not like the success factor. But that was not your point.
Your point was they should stay in 6a if they are succes-factored into that class and since there is a success factor in existence, sticking a school with a success factor multiplier forever makes zero sense.
If your argument is that there should be no success factor or there should be a success factor for every school playing football, that’s a discussion I would like to see the ihsa have.

Well wasn't my original argument. But poster was obviously pointing out the absurdity of the SF. I don't believe it was an argument to have either team stay in 6A.

I'd personally love to see Naz in 6A full time, but I see no reason for them to opt up when a two year run would just bump them up to 7A. Might as well just play where IHSA places them and shrug shoulders at the absurdity. Not like it's an issue you can easily whip up votes for to change since it impacts so few.

 

[Gestalt45]

Guys….guys….this is ESL we are talking about let’s not forget that like MC, no one actually beats them. The difference is MC gives opponents games because they feel bad or something while ESL gets games stolen from them by all white referees taken out of the movie Remember the Titans.

In other words, ESL would run through any class any year even 9a. Just as long as CG doesn’t show up 😬

I think there is a team out of Lombard that is undefeated against ESL…