Success Factor/NAZ

[colin2229]

All.... I talked with Flyer fans about this at the game last week. They have little interest playing in Class 5A which is why they petition up. Not that titles in 5A are beneath them but that is not the "Flyer way." They would like to go higher up in postseason play but of course can't because of their conference rules. Alton and Belleville (West) who are 7A size haven't made the postseason since 2018. They need to do away with that rule Quite adamant though they want a rematch with CG this year in the final. Ratsy

I respect that…

But my point is that there is an argument to be made that 5a would is more challenging that 6a.

 

[mc140]

-8a is by far the hardest class year in and year out. There is a reason only Loyola is the only one ever to petition up to 8a.

- The IHSA should have stayed with yearly changes to enrollment and multipliers. The 22-23 and 23-24 school year enrollments will dictate classes in 25-26 and 26-27. Incredibly dumb.

 

[The Ripper CGB]

DePaul Prep is going to be interesting classification wise. There actual enrollment has grown a lot and now they will be multiplied. I think they will be around the 7A/6A line.

 

[atrain97]

To throw some more information to the fire, CG could be 5A next year based on their enrollment numbers.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

An even funnier scenario.....

Since Antioch petitioned up to 6A this year they are stuck in 6A next year. What are the chances the stars align next year by the football gods and Antioch draws Naz or JCA in round 1 for the 6a playoffs

You're right, of course. The competition in 8A is outstanding. LA is LA, always a challenge. Marist has never beaten Carmel in its entire history, but I've seen Maine South run all over us. Our record against LWE is 3-0, I think. MC has played three times, winning once, in the 8A title game, a respectable showing for a school that's been factored up. What I am considering, though, is that this year's Caravan is loaded with juniors and underclassmen who are not only starting but playing well. We'll lose Jack Elliott but gain Emmett Dowling, who, under Jordan Lynch, should develop into a facsimile of his brother. Blainey Dowling, you'll remember, helped MC beat Loyola in '22, one of the best games I have ever seen. Since Loyola took state that year, it is not unreasonable to believe that, had MC played Loyola in the 8A finals, MC might have gone home with the trophy. That was an exceptionally good Carmel team, and next year's squad could be as good or better.

MC has been in the highest class 9 times. 2 titles ('88 and '12), 2 runner ups ('06, '10) and 7 of the 9 times have made it to the semi at least.

 

[refref01]

We have talked often of multipliers, success factors and playing up but do Marist and I think BR flip places with Naz, SF's and and JCA's in that I don't think either would be multiplied next year. Would be intereestign to see the route they take.

 

[Swc1919]

Haven't thought about this in the past but it really doesn't make sense for ESL to petition up. Each year 6A south brings no one to the table for them. If they were 5A they would at least traditionally get JCA, Morris and SHG. With a title game vs a great 5a north squad.

They would run through that to it’s not many teams in Illinois that would give them problems

 

[tuccs]

Guys….guys….this is ESL we are talking about let’s not forget that like MC, no one actually beats them. The difference is MC gives opponents games because they feel bad or something while ESL gets games stolen from them by all white referees taken out of the movie Remember the Titans.

In other words, ESL would run through any class any year even 9a. Just as long as CG doesn’t show up 😬

 

[jha618]

Guys….guys….this is ESL we are talking about let’s not forget that like MC, no one actually beats them. The difference is MC gives opponents games because they feel bad or something while ESL gets games stolen from them by all white referees taken out of the movie Remember the Titans.

In other words, ESL would run through any class any year even 9a. Just as long as CG doesn’t show up 😬

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Guys….guys….this is ESL we are talking about let’s not forget that like MC, no one actually beats them. The difference is MC gives opponents games because they feel bad or something while ESL gets games stolen from them by all white referees taken out of the movie Remember the Titans.

In other words, ESL would run through any class any year even 9a. Just as long as CG doesn’t show up 😬

You should stick to commenting about how SF is going to beat naz by 3 tds...geez.

 

[tuccs]

You should stick to commenting about how SF is going to beat naz by 3 tds...geez.

I hope you’re right. With the cold weather I’m thinking it might be 3tds and an fg that’s even worse😬

 

[HSFootballfan_007]

Those schools are never gonna petition to play up even though they are playing the wrong talent level in 5A

 

[4Afan]

Those schools are never gonna petition to play up even though they are playing the wrong talent level in 5A

They won't need to petition up they'll be successful factored up.

Question for Naz guys. What is the enrollment like at Naz? Has it increased recently? With next year being the start of a new 2 year cycle for classification plus success factor will Naz be 6A or 7A next year? Their enrollment is listed at 1180 and the largest 5A team is 1272 so they're close to the top of 5A currently.

 

[tuccs]

I think the verbiage is all centered around the highest class in which you succeed. So IF one of the biggest upsets in history takes place on Saturday and Naz knocks off Franny to get to the title that would be 3 in 5a bumping them up to 6a. Back when they won their first two in back to back years then two years later were runner ups they had played in the 6a title game which bumped them up so they could win the 7a trophy and another runner up in 7a the following year. Short story long I think Naz would end up 6a whether “naturally” (multiplied) or SF’d

 

[4Afan]

I think the verbiage is all centered around the highest class in which you succeed. So IF one of the biggest upsets in history takes place on Saturday and Naz knocks off Franny to get to the title that would be 3 in 5a bumping them up to 6a. Back when they won their first two in back to back years then two years later were runner ups they had played in the 6a title game which bumped them up so they could win the 7a trophy and another runner up in 7a the following year. Short story long I think Naz would end up 6a whether “naturally” (multiplied) or SF’d

Yeah, wasn't looking for sandbagging for an actual question. Has Naz's enrollment grown since the last 2 year cycle? Would their multiplier put them in 6A regardless of success factor next year? Meaning success factor puts them in 7A?

 

[Snetsrak61]

Yeah, wasn't looking for sandbagging for an actual question. Has Naz's enrollment grown since the last 2 year cycle? Would their multiplier put them in 6A regardless of success factor next year? Meaning success factor puts them in 7A?

I believe the success factor would put them in 6A, even if they were a natural 6A. Could be wrong.

As to where there enrollment stands, I don't know. They're generally pretty strapped for space though, so I doubt they're gonna push towards 6A naturally.

 

[4Afan]

I believe the success factor would put them in 6A, even if they were a natural 6A. Could be wrong.

As to where there enrollment stands, I don't know. They're generally pretty strapped for space though, so I doubt they're gonna push towards 6A naturally.

Thank you.

Was their enrollment that much higher in '18 and '19 when they were bumped up to 7A? Not starting anything, honestly asking. Seems like a similar situation unless their actual enrollment has dropped recently, which wouldn't be unheard of for a private school these days.

 

[Maj2023]

Success factor only applies to private schools.

ESL already is playing up. Actually they wanted. To go higher than 6a (7 or 8) but there conference would not let them