SF 35 Loyola 21 - Final
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Personally, I think it’s time to remove the lights, melt them down and use that material to construct a shelter for the homeless or unwed mothers. For the greater good.
Someone better check on Ramblinman!
LA apparently isn’t who they have been and neither are others. What is going on this year.
LA 1-2
MS 1-2
Warren 1-2
GBW 0-3
LA apparently isn’t who they have been and neither are others. What is going on this year.
LA 1-2
MS 1-2
Warren 1-2
GBW 0-3
And donate them to Back of the Yards, whose game got called on account of darkness.
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Bones says "hold my beer".
God-tier sandbagging effort by Tuccs
There's no sand in these bags. Plainfield E is probably the slight favorite on Friday.
I'm here and just fine thanks.
I was never one of those who felt (or voiced) that LA's extraordinary success would last forever. I've been around long enough to learn that these things go in cycles.
Rochester, MS, PC, WWS, ESL, JCA, Montini, Carthage, Le-Win, LA...nothing lasts forever. Nothing.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not declaring LA to be dead. They might even lose a couple more games before the playoffs. But, they probably won't be making a deep run in the playoffs this year since they won't be facing less competitive programs in the first couple of rounds.
Five titles in program history, including one back-to-back. Good, yes, but extraordinary? I think they call this grade inflation.
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Is that bait I see dangling before me? Ok, I'll take it.
First of all, I doubt you knew off the top of your head that Loyola has five titles in program history, which means you had to look it up. Which means you likely overlooked a bunch of stats that would be contrary to your position that I am applying "grade inflation" to Loyola's success. For example, yes, five titles in program history, but four of them came in the past eight seasons.
Secondly, I'm not going to talk about Loyola's "program history," which dates back a very, very long time. I won't go back to 1974 which is when the first IHSA football championship was held. Nor will I go back to LA's first title in 1993.
When I was talking about Loyola's extraordinary success and how success occurs in cycles, I was referring to more recent success. How recent is recent? There's no specific answer that everyone will agree on, because recent is relative, but I'm going to pick the previous ten complete seasons because ten is a nice round number. Is that recent relative to last year? No. Is it recent relative to 1974? Yes. For the sake of discussion, cut me some slack on this, and let's not get into nit-picking definitions.
In the previous ten season, Loyola:
- compiled an overall record of 120-17 playing in arguably the most competitive football conference in the state
- compiled a playoff record of 38-6, all in 8a
- made the state title game 7 times
- won four state titles
If the above is not extraordinary success, please enlighten us as to what is extraordinary in your book. Of the 500+ football playing schools over the past 10 years, what percentage of them would consider it extraordinary success simply to qualify for the playoffs 10 straight times, much less make 7 state title appearances and compile a 38-6 playoff record?
You are certainly welcome to your opinion that Loyola's success is merely "good," but my opinion is that it is extraordinary relative to all but a handful of programs out there during that time.
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Childish cheap shots against respected rivals make all of us look immature.
I thought the days of pizza jokes were over.
Driscoll, Providence, Rochester, Geneseo, Naz, Bishop Mac, ESL, Montini, Maine South and JCA, among others, have had remarkable if not extraordinary runs. Loyola ain't there yet.
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No disagreement there. But that's your argument, not mine. We are arguing two different things. You have decided to counter my assertion of Loyola's recent extraordinary success by arguing all-time, but that was never my point. My point is all about the past ten years. What is it about the words "recent," "ten years," and "cycle" that you aren't grasping?
I contend that Loyola has had extraordinary success in the past ten years. I am further stating that there are only a handful of programs that have experienced similar or greater success than Loyola during that time. MC, Naz, IC, Lena-Winslow, and Rochester come to mind. I'm happy to consider other schools you might think of that aren't closed or that haven't matched or bettered the sort of playoff success that Loyola has experienced in the past ten years.
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This prompted me to go back 10 years for ESL, not too bad.
2013 6A Semi loss to Oaklawn Richards
2014 6A Qtrs loss to Peoria Notre Dame
2015 Teacher Strike (no playoffs)
2016 7A state Champs
2017 7A Qtrs loss to MC
2018 7A Qtrs loss to MC
2019 6A State Champs
2020 Covid
2021 6A Runner up Loss to CG
2022 6A State Champs
2023 6A Runner up loss to CG
2024 TBD
What is the result of the last time I went to White Castle for 100, Alex?
That’s not extraordinary! We have all had those runs. Hahahaha
Okay, let's do recent. But not too recent. Not as recent as last week or the first game of the season. Let's confine ourselves to the ten years you specify, when it looked as though Loyola, for the first time in its 115-year history, was about to embark on a period of sustained success. Four titles in ten years--any ten years--is a notable achievement. But was it extraordinary? Yes. Yes, it was. It was extraordinary for Loyola, by Loyola standards.
Eight years. Four titles in eight years. No other school has done that in 8A. MS got four in 9 years.
It's extraordinary by any standard. Are there schools in other classes that have done better during the past ten years or any ten year period? Sure. But I'm not arguing that nobody in Illinois has done better.
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All of that is well and good. But in football, the past is not prologue. It will be interesting to see how LA does in the coming months.
Would ICCP play their entire team if they had Loyola on their schedule this year?
Yes or no?
Yes or no?
People are arguing against LA's success over the past 10 (and I'd say 15 years)? And against who they did it against?
People really do hate greatness
People really do hate greatness
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