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[cornerrat]

Curious...what were the first two strikes that went unpunished? The only ones I can think of you are referring to are:

1) The football moms buying two disadvantaged kids a championship ring which was a self reported violation to IHSA. The result was the IHSA stripping them of a win against SHG.

2) The report of a kid not living in district which was unfounded.

Are there others I'm not aware of??

All.... Quit trying to put lipstick on this pig. (lol) "appropriate penalty" look it up if you don't know what those words mean.

Ring gate..... Should of been several forfeits but the Ihsa loves your little darlings and kept it to just one with their warped thinking decision. And the self reporting was because a certain coach (non football) at RHS was raising a big stink and the word was out . It was spreading like a wild fire in Rocket town. It was going to get out. RHS had to limit the damage by doing so.

2. The kid. When the decision came down on that one he no longer could play for RHS. Sigh .... off to SHG he went. Oy....

And let's not forget number three the one of course you didn't reference. This latest one. A little tap on the finger. But those that read the investigative report (available to anyone) aren't going to forget words in the report.... assault and aggravated battery.

Hmmm..... "Are there others I'm not aware of." You tell me.... Ratsy

 

[FB1976]

All.... Quit trying to put lipstick on this pig. (lol) "appropriate penalty" look it up if you don't know what those words mean.

Ring gate..... Should of been several forfeits but the Ihsa loves your little darlings and kept it to just one with their warped thinking decision. And the self reporting was because a certain coach (non football) at RHS was raising a big stink and the word was out . It was spreading like a wild fire in Rocket town. It was going to get out. RHS had to limit the damage by doing so.

2. The kid. When the decision came down on that one he no longer could play for RHS. Sigh .... off to SHG he went. Oy....

And let's not forget number three the one of course you didn't reference. This latest one. A little tap on the finger. But those that read the investigative report (available to anyone) aren't going to forget words in the report.... assault and aggravated battery.

Hmmm..... "Are there others I'm not aware of." You tell me.... Ratsy

I don't know of any others....that is why I asked.

As for appropriate penalties...what objective measurement are you using to determine what is appropriate? Just your belief, or is there something else?

 

[rjjtwest]

All.... Why thank you kind sir. See what clarity to the mind several hours of Svedka Vodka and sugar free Red Bull has brought to you. Cheers! Ratsy

Anytime sunshine, goodluck to your team against thee ol ‘ Hilltoppers this coming weekend!!😘

 

[Cross Bones]

aside from the announcer and mom calling this a block in the back on a defensive player, since mom is trying to drag a viral hate mob on a 15-18 year old kid (expose the player, her words) for something that happened in the first 2.5 seconds of a contact football play between the whistles, why not consider it from the defensive perspective.

the play in the video is the "modern day triple option", with the three options being: give the zone, qb keep, or qb throw the bubble on the run. It's run here almost exactly as we seen frequently now in the NFL and college. see here for a video of the play going to the third option (the bubble). the play is intended to cause the olb to bite either on the zone or qb run, opening up a lane for the bubble option, a lane which you can see at :08 timestamp.

The qb and two receivers are playing out the second and third option. i see #2 blocking #22, and in #22s line of sight until tenths of a second before the collision. you can see rockets #2 with his hands still on #22 with :08 timestamp, and the contact occurs within the :08 timestamp, the same second.

when the rockets were prepping for PND, who seems to run mostly old school triple option variation, do you think they were teaching the players to tackle their responsibility (dive qb pitch) on every play, rather than trying to figure out who had the ball? that's the way everyone i've ever heard of teaches to play triple option. every play, get the dive, the qb, and the pitch on the ground. was rochester not tackling the dive back when he didn't have the ball? again, less than 1 second elapses between the corner escaping the block and the hit.

Back when we had to prep against the triple option we were definitely taught to tackle each person. That way it didnt matter who had the ball. Granted this was 25 years ago, not sure what they do now.

 

[cornerrat]

I don't know of any others....that is why I asked.

As for appropriate penalties...what objective measurement are you using to determine what is appropriate? Just your belief, or is there something else?

All.... Number one was answered. If you recall the ruling was for a one game forfeit not several because of only one close score. (with SHG) Speeding is speeding. Give a ticket to all or look the other way and give it to no one. But that would of blown the season up. The Ihsa wasn't about to go down that road. Hey they own the store and can do what they want regardless of how bad it looks. Your asking the wrong person about an objective measurement. Ask the Ihsa.

Number two. I don't recall but on that situation and I PREFACE this I may be wrong a one game suspension for your Coach on that one. I do remember the school claimed they did not know. One game good enough for the Ihsa I guess,

And of course the last one. It would be interesting to learn how much input the Ihsa had on the recommendation in the report. Certainly gave them an out not to touch it. Seniors involved get a walk because they are seniors. Really? Getting shot resulting in welts (lets not forget the other "stuff "going on as well in the report) and who knows what else and the reviewer describing that act as assault and aggravated battery. Recommends a one game suspension and in the same breath scolds those" IN CHARGE" knowing it wouldn't go any farther then that by the school. Taking the high road isn't for everyone I suppose. Sigh.... Ratsy

 

[FB1976]

All.... Number one was answered. If you recall the ruling was for a one game forfeit not several because of only one close score. (with SHG) Speeding is speeding. Give a ticket to all or look the other way and give it to no one. But that would of blown the season up. The Ihsa wasn't about to go down that road. Hey they own the store and can do what they want regardless of how bad it looks. Your asking the wrong person about an objective measurement. Ask the Ihsa.

Number two. I don't recall but on that situation and I PREFACE this I may be wrong a one game suspension for your Coach on that one. I do remember the school claimed they did not know. One game good enough for the Ihsa I guess,

And of course the last one. It would be interesting to learn how much input the Ihsa had on the recommendation in the report. Certainly gave them an out not to touch it. Seniors involved get a walk because they are seniors. Really? Getting shot resulting in welts (lets not forget the other "stuff "going on as well in the report) and who knows what else and the reviewer describing that act as assault and aggravated battery. Recommends a one game suspension and in the same breath scolds those" IN CHARGE" knowing it wouldn't go any farther then that by the school. Taking the high road isn't for everyone I suppose. Sigh.... Ratsy

Thank you for the reasoned response. Trying to take in all points of view on the matter.

I'm curious as to your thoughts on the Hilsboro Football suspensions earlier this year. Did you agree with the self imposed penalties there?

 

[crusader_of_90]

If it was legit only a couple of kids experiencing a tough financial stretch and some Mom's kicked in the cash for the rings, it it no different than if they paid those families' bills for a month, or made Christmas or a birthday happen. A helping Christian gesture. No harm, no foul, in my eyes. Would Jesus care?

Honestly, I really could not give a rat's ass (bad pun) about Bleachers because that seems like some soft hazing, that some kids looked forward to by taking the pain, sans shirts, a right of passage. The cookie thing ... gross, but it was there own cookie. Just don't shove that Oreo in too deep - and be sure to shower before!!!! And yes, I read the entire report - Senior 17 is a snitch!!! (Snitches get stiches, I always taught the girls!)

Wrestling matches - some as going one-on-ones in practice - a test of manhood. No blows thrown, just strength, balance and willpower. And I would guess you are putting stud against stud, turd on turn. Harmless.

THAT SAID - I could not, as an "adult" condone it. I'd in fact, admonish and strictly ban if I had even a hint, which I am sure D did. One game sitting seems light in that instance.

I have spoken!

 

[FB1976]

If it was legit only a couple of kids experiencing a tough financial stretch and some Mom's kicked in the cash for the rings, it it no different than if they paid those families' bills for a month, or made Christmas or a birthday happen. A helping Christian gesture. No harm, no foul, in my eyes. Would Jesus care?

Honestly, I really could not give a rat's ass (bad pun) about Bleachers because that seems like some soft hazing, that some kids looked forward to by taking the pain, sans shirts, a right of passage. The cookie thing ... gross, but it was there own cookie. Just don't shove that Oreo in too deep - and be sure to shower before!!!! And yes, I read the entire report - Senior 17 is a snitch!!! (Snitches get stiches, I always taught the girls!)

Wrestling matches - some as going one-on-ones in practice - a test of manhood. No blows thrown, just strength, balance and willpower. And I would guess you are putting stud against stud, turd on turn. Harmless.

THAT SAID - I could not, as an "adult" condone it. I'd in fact, admonish and strictly ban if I had even a hint, which I am sure D did. One game sitting seems light in that instance.

I have spoken!

I believe I have the same point of view as well. I was honestly curious in knowing the beliefs that others had about the incident. I respect @cornerrat and others for answering my questions, but wonder if their criticisms are clouded for their dislike of the Rocket program as a whole. Some people have the "burn the whole program down" philosophy. When that point of view is shared it makes me think they really aren't arguing for the benefit of the boys.

 

[corey90]

I don’t understand what any of this crap has to do with football. Never understood the reason kids feel the need to belittle teammates. I think one game suspension was light but I am not sure what a reasonable punishment should be in this situation. I have no ill will with Rockets or the coach. I don’t believe for a minute the coach wasn’t aware. It’s also weird these lessons aren’t learned from other programs/coaches being punished for the same type behavior. Remember NW.

 

[RoaminCatholic]

Anytime sunshine, goodluck to your team against thee ol ‘ Hilltoppers this coming weekend!!😘

Are you "thewest" that had your own boards long ago?

 

[RoaminCatholic]

I believe I have the same point of view as well. I was honestly curious in knowing the beliefs that others had about the incident. I respect @cornerrat and others for answering my questions, but wonder if their criticisms are clouded for their dislike of the Rocket program as a whole. Some people have the "burn the whole program down" philosophy. When that point of view is shared it makes me think they really aren't arguing for the benefit of the boys.

I know what you mean, but there's a whole lot of stuff that comes before "burn the program down" and the lack of action past a one-game suspension for the HC is where I think a lot of people are caught up...

Kids have been expelled for carrying air-soft guns in their backpacks at school. Why would firing them at other students, potentially on school grounds, not warrant the same? I'm not arguing for that either, just to be clear. Just trying to keep both sides visible here...