Higher seeds should get the home game.

[gobucsgo]

Over the last 4 years, Byron has had to travel to IC catholic. 2 years in a row. And then the next 2 years, Montini.

They were the lower seed once. I just think there should be a better way. Just like everyone said that today shouldn’t happen today. And that it should have been a finals or semis. Is there a better way to seed these teams? We all know Montini isn’t a 9th seed.

 

[doctor_d]

Over the last 4 years, Byron has had to travel to IC catholic. 2 years in a row. And then the next 2 years, Montini.

They were the lower seed once. I just think there should be a better way. Just like everyone said that today shouldn’t happen today. And that it should have been a finals or semis. Is there a better way to seed these teams? We all know Montini isn’t a 9th seed.

It sucks but if you get into seeding by new metrics do you also get into classification by new metrics?
Current method with 1-32 would be a great start though.

 

[EstablishTheRun59]

False , west Aurora didn’t deserve to host today after beating pee wee teams all year

 

[gobucsgo]

So. Here we go arguing about the seeding again.

 

[dcaudle68]

Over the last 4 years, Byron has had to travel to IC catholic. 2 years in a row. And then the next 2 years, Montini.

They were the lower seed once. I just think there should be a better way. Just like everyone said that today shouldn’t happen today. And that it should have been a finals or semis. Is there a better way to seed these teams? We all know Montini isn’t a 9th seed.

They are only the higher seed because they played a much weaker schedule. You think Montini isn't 10-0 playing Byron's schedule?

 

[PowerI66]

False , west Aurora didn’t deserve to host today after beating pee wee teams all year

Careful, I got yelled at for saying something similar

 

[McCaravan]

If anything, the higher seed should at least get home field for the semifinals.

 

[4Afan]

You start opening this can of worms you end up changing the entire system, and it may not be for the better. The simplest solution would be to let the higher seed choose home or away in round one in hopes of securing a home game later in the playoffs.

 

[bccanwin]

They are only the higher seed because they played a much weaker schedule. You think Montini isn't 10-0 playing Byron's schedule

If the idiots running the IHSA would seed the playoffs correctly, this conversation would be irrelevant.

1-32 is the way to go.

Awful leadership running the IHSA.

 

[gobucsgo]

I agree that Montini would be perfect in the Big Northern. But tell me that Byron deserves to go to Montini 2 years in a row.

 

[MSLguy05]

False , west Aurora didn’t deserve to host today after beating pee wee teams all year

They played at Maine South

 

[k1867]

Over the last 4 years, Byron has had to travel to IC catholic. 2 years in a row. And then the next 2 years, Montini.

They were the lower seed once. I just think there should be a better way. Just like everyone said that today shouldn’t happen today. And that it should have been a finals or semis. Is there a better way to seed these teams? We all know Montini isn’t a 9th seed.

No.

 

[k1867]

If the idiots running the IHSA would seed the playoffs correctly, this conversation would be irrelevant.

1-32 is the way to go.

Awful leadership running the IHSA.

Yes.

 

[gobears25]

So. Here we go arguing about the seeding again.

If you want to suggest higher seeds get the home game you have to address seeding. The game was at Montini because Montini's opponent last week, (North Lmaodale Charter), was the higher seed and therefore had the home game in week 1, losing 49-0.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

If the idiots running the IHSA would seed the playoffs correctly, this conversation would be irrelevant.

1-32 is the way to go.

Awful leadership running the IHSA.

It’s a start but it needs to be some type of computer ranking IMO….Massey/CalPreps.

 

[corey90]

If anything, the higher seed should at least get home field for the semifinals.

Careful
If LWE wins this Friday and LA wins LWE might again play at LA? Just saying.

 

[4Afan]

It’s a start but it needs to be some type of computer ranking IMO….Massey/CalPreps.

Because computer seeding worked out so well when they did it in college. You're just inviting more arguments by going this route.

 

[4Afan]

If the idiots running the IHSA would seed the playoffs correctly, this conversation would be irrelevant.

1-32 is the way to go.

Awful leadership running the IHSA.

If 3A were seeded 1-32.

1. Byron

32. West Frankfort (Frankfort)

16. New Berlin [Coop]

17.Roxana

8. Williamsville

25. Chicago (King)

9. Monmouth (M.-Roseville)

24. Stanford (Olympia)

4. Sullivan

29. Carlinville

13. Chicago (North Lawndale Charter)

20. Peotone

5. Pecatonica [Du-Pec Coop]

28. Stillman Valley

12. Chicago (Marshall) [Coop]

21. DuQuoin

2. St. Joseph (Ogden)

31. Mt. Carmel

15. Monticello

18. Tolono (Unity)

7. Eureka

26. Oregon

10. Nashville

23. Fairfield

3. Wilmington

30. Fairbury (Prairie Central)

14. Lombard (Montini)

19. Benton

6. Princeton

27. Genoa (G.-Kingston)

11. Greenville

22. Paxton (Buckley-Loda)

 

[eireog]

If 3A were seeded 1-32.

1. Byron

32. West Frankfort (Frankfort)

16. New Berlin [Coop]

17.Roxana

8. Williamsville

25. Chicago (King)

9. Monmouth (M.-Roseville)

24. Stanford (Olympia)

4. Sullivan

29. Carlinville

13. Chicago (North Lawndale Charter)

20. Peotone

5. Pecatonica [Du-Pec Coop]

28. Stillman Valley

12. Chicago (Marshall) [Coop]

21. DuQuoin

2. St. Joseph (Ogden)

31. Mt. Carmel

15. Monticello

18. Tolono (Unity)

7. Eureka

26. Oregon

10. Nashville

23. Fairfield

3. Wilmington

30. Fairbury (Prairie Central)

14. Lombard (Montini)

19. Benton

6. Princeton

27. Genoa (G.-Kingston)

11. Greenville

22. Paxton (Buckley-Loda)

Should be 1-32 and computer power rankings for seeds.

 

[4Afan]

Should be 1-32 and computer power rankings for seeds.

I don't want them to get into computer rankings. As I said above, that would just create more arguments, computers aren't perfect.

 

[Catch--22]

I like it the way it is. Of course I was on the sidelines doing stats when 5-seed Elmwood Park 7-2 hosted 12-seed Joliet Catholic 5-4 with Isaac and Ivlow. Good stuff. 59-0 “upset”. Lol

 

[doctor_d]

If 3A were seeded 1-32.

1. Byron

32. West Frankfort (Frankfort)

16. New Berlin [Coop]

17.Roxana

8. Williamsville

25. Chicago (King)

9. Monmouth (M.-Roseville)

24. Stanford (Olympia)

4. Sullivan

29. Carlinville

13. Chicago (North Lawndale Charter)

20. Peotone

5. Pecatonica [Du-Pec Coop]

28. Stillman Valley

12. Chicago (Marshall) [Coop]

21. DuQuoin

2. St. Joseph (Ogden)

31. Mt. Carmel

15. Monticello

18. Tolono (Unity)

7. Eureka

26. Oregon

10. Nashville

23. Fairfield

3. Wilmington

30. Fairbury (Prairie Central)

14. Lombard (Montini)

19. Benton

6. Princeton

27. Genoa (G.-Kingston)

11. Greenville

22. Paxton (Buckley-Loda)

Looks like it woulda been Montini @ Wilmo round 2 in that scenario. yikes.

 

[4Afan]

I don't understand why people are so upset with the way the IHSA seeds teams. Using the above post as an example, if a team like a 5-4 JCA is a lower seen on the road to a 5 seed that is 7-2 and they win 59-0 then who cares if they were the lower seed on the road? They were obviously the better team and the seeding and where the game was is irrelevant.

It's not a perfect system, but it's tough to find one that is more transparent. You can start tracking from the beginning of the season and know where your team will be without question.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

I don't understand why people are so upset with the way the IHSA seeds teams. Using the above post as an example, if a team like a 5-4 JCA is a lower seen on the road to a 5 seed that is 7-2 and they win 59-0 then who cares if they were the lower seed on the road? They were obviously the better team and the seeding and where the game was is irrelevant.

It's not a perfect system, but it's tough to find one that is more transparent. You can start tracking from the beginning of the season and know where your team will be without question.

No doubt it’s transparent and there is something to that I admit. I would just like to see it done taking into account more than just record/playoff points. Yea it wouldn’t be perfect. We can agree to disagree. But for the love of god can we get 1-32 at least.

 

[eireog]

I

I don't understand why people are so upset with the way the IHSA seeds teams. Using the above post as an example, if a team like a 5-4 JCA is a lower seen on the road to a 5 seed that is 7-2 and they win 59-0 then who cares if they were the lower seed on the road? They were obviously the better team and the seeding and where the game was is irrelevant.

It's not a perfect system, but it's tough to find one that is more transparent. You can start tracking from the beginning of the season and know where your team will be without question.

It’s not perfect. 1-32 + computer ranked seeding wouldn’t be perfect either, but it would be closer to perfect than the current system.

 

[Catch--22]

There is just no way to compare some of the schools. We do BEAT EDGY every week, and everyone goes 6-4. Us sports dorks who live for all this stuff don’t know who the better team is half the time. So the best way is to take all opinion out of it and just use the hard facts.

 

[4Afan]

I

It’s not perfect. 1-32 + computer ranked seeding wouldn’t be perfect either, but it would be closer to perfect than the current system.

How can you say that when you don't know what rankings the computer would spit out? When it was used in college the computers would love teams, such as Notre Dame, and it usually made no sense when the computers would have them, top 5, for example, but everyone who voted on the rankings would barely have them in the top 10.

How would the computers factor in public vs. private?

 

[PowerI66]

My only issue with the current system is when people claim a team is a "top" 16, 8, etc. team in ?A because they advanced to a certain round. Ignoring the path to said round

 

[4Afan]

My only issue with the current system is when people claim a team is a "top" 16, 8, etc. team in ?A because they advanced to a certain round. Ignoring the path to said round

I follow more of the small classes and I really don't hear people saying that type of stuff. Maybe it's more in the higher classes.

 

[eireog]

How can you say that when you don't know what rankings the computer would spit out? When it was used in college the computers would love teams, such as Notre Dame, and it usually made no sense when the computers would have them, top 5, for example, but everyone who voted on the rankings would barely have them in the top 10.

How would the computers factor in public vs. private?

On this site CalPreps and Massey have been used for years to handicap games. I’d be perfectly happy using one or both or a combination of both to seed teams

 

[SiuCubFan8]

On this site CalPreps and Massey have been used for years to handicap games. I’d be perfectly happy using one or both or a combination of both to seed teams

There were posts on what it would look like, to be fair I didn’t dig into it. I think I was arguing with tucs after the sf/Naz game. Lol

 

[4Afan]

On this site CalPreps and Massey have been used for years to handicap games. I’d be perfectly happy using one or both or a combination of both to seed teams

Why not MaxPreps? That's what other states use. My issue with those two is we don't know what goes into their algorithm and how different aspects of the season are weighted, such as injuries.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Why not MaxPreps? That's what other states use. My issue with those two is we don't know what goes into their algorithm and how different aspects of the season are weighted, such as injuries.

Don’t other states use those other two as well? Knowing what goes into it important no doubt.

 

[eireog]

Why not MaxPreps? That's what other states use. My issue with those two is we don't know what goes into their algorithm and how different aspects of the season are weighted, such as injuries.

Fine. Seeding is ridiculous, anything other than the current system would be an improvement.

 

[4Afan]

Don’t other states use those other two as well? Knowing what goes into it important no doubt.

California obviously uses CalPreps, but other than that I'm not sure. I just know Arizona uses MaxPreps rankings to determine their top 8 teams who play in the "open division" of their playoffs.

 

[Dick Saban]

My only issue with the current system is when people claim a team is a "top" 16, 8, etc. team in ?A because they advanced to a certain round. Ignoring the path to said round

 

[4Afan]

Fine. Seeding is ridiculous, anything other than the current system would be an improvement.

Again, what's wrong with the current system? Who cares what the number next your name is? If you're seeded 17th and make the finals you're one of the best two teams. Name an instance where the current seeding has screwed a team and cost them their season.

 

[eireog]

Again, what's wrong with the current system? Who cares what the number next your name is? If you're seeded 17th and make the finals you're one of the best two teams. Name an instance where the current seeding has screwed a team and cost them their season.

Byron. They shouldn’t have to play Montini in round 2. SCN shouldn’t have to play MC in round 2 . Marist shouldn’t have to play LA in round 2. That’s just today and I’m sure there’s more. If I looked back at Round 1 I’m sure I could give you many more examples. Seeding matters.

 

[Illgold22]

Careful
If LWE wins this Friday and LA wins LWE might again play at LA? Just saying.

Nope, if that happens Loyola will have travel to LWE. Don’t think that has happened before. Could be a monster semi game! Maybe one of the biggest semi games in the past 10 years.

 

[bccanwin]

I don't understand why people are so upset with the way the IHSA seeds teams. Using the above post as an example, if a team like a 5-4 JCA is a lower seen on the road to a 5 seed that is 7-2 and they win 59-0 then who cares if they were the lower seed on the road? They were obviously the better team and the seeding and where the game was is irrelevant.

It's not a perfect system, but it's tough to find one that is more transparent. You can start tracking from the beginning of the season and know where your team will be without question.

Why do the 1-32 for 7&8A and not do it for everyone else?