Higher seeds should get the home game.
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Byron/Montini has nothing to do with seeding if it's done 1-32. I posted 3A 1-32 above and they would have met in the finals in that instance. So current seeding would have worked out just fine if IHSA would get smart and just seed all classes 1-32.
Based on the results I don't think SCN should have played MC in any round. Since you mentioned this game and it not be deserving of a 2nd round game then lets say there were computer rankings and hypothetically, this game takes place in the quarters or semi's and has the same result. Then you would be saying that the computers had SCN ranked way too high.
This is my biggest complaint with the current system. They claim it's due to travel distances within the lower classes, but in reality the IHSA has no interest in the best teams making the finals in those classes, they want a northern and southern representative in the title game.
That don't care about a north/south rep.
They care about the following.
1. Having to pay for travel expenses.
2. Gates for the playoffs.
It's all about the kids though
"Fairness" goes beyond the winning team. I don't think it's fair that the #5 team in 8a has a 2nd round matchup with the #6 team. The #5 team in 7a got a 2nd rd matchup vs the #1 ranked team. 5a had a 2nd rd matchup of top 5 teams. 3a had 2 top 3 teams in the 2nd rd.
also they claim travel distances but Highland had to come to Morris today.
What rankings are you using that had those matchups? Please tell me it's not the AP.
Those classes, especially 8a, are much more concentrated around the Chicagoland area. And travel isn't as much of a burden.
I’ve agreed on 1-32. I said we also should have computer seeding.
I certainly wouldn’t say that if SCN got clocked in the quarters or semis. I will say as a 3 seed and a legitimate 3 seed they shouldn’t have to play MC in round 2. At the same time in the same division Whitney Young is a 1 seed. If you think that makes sense then our conversation is over.
I never said it's a perfect system, but you're focusing too much on the number next to the team. Whitney Young was the 1 seed and they got smoked by BB, so they're out and their seeding means nothing. Whether the 2nd round or semi's SCN wasn't beating MC so what's the point?
There is a cost to travel.
Burden??? We are talking about the playoffs. It is not a burden. It's an honor.
Funny how it's a burden in Illinois to travel a few hours and in Texas it's a privilege to travel 10 hours to play a playoff game. SMH
Yes, there is a cost to travel, but the IHSA isn't paying the bill.
So you are good pulling names out of a hat? Because you have to beat them all sooner or later?
I'm on my second bourbon, so of course I'm happy. We're just debating a topic from opposing sides, no need to get defensive. As far as I'm concerned, you're a stand up guy.
Yes it's the ap polls. But even using Massey, there would be similar top 5 matchup in each class
It appears they do. Why would they ihsa want a north/south rep for 1a-6a but not for the other 2 classes?
Because there is very little to no southern representation downstate in 7A and 8A.
I’m on my 15th and we’re not debating, im not defensive, I’m a complete stand up guy. I’m just done if you think seeding doesn’t matter. I think I presented a logical argument for 1-32+ computer seeding . After 2 bourbons, you need to catch up to me or you need to stop drinking. Have a great night.
1-32 I'm on board with, but just saying computers means nothing. What computers? What's the algorithm? What is weighted more? You can't just say computers and just imply it's a better system.
As I said, it's not a perfect system, but no one has proposed a better system, other than saying to use computers with no criteria as to what those computers will use when ranking.
In the current system, who has been let down or didn't win a title that should have based on their ranking? Last year Naz was 4-5 and seeded as low as can possibly be and they won the title. Illinois is top heavy in terms of it's best teams and regardless of seeding they will end up still playing the last two weeks of November.
How would it benefit the ihsa by having a less qualified southern rep in the championship game?
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You won’t get the last word. It’s not in his nature. He say 2 but I think it’s much more. Hahahaha
More viewers for the title games. If it's all northern teams you don't get downstate people watching the title games.
As opposed to more people watching from the more populous part of the state if there are more northern teams?
You're not wrong. I don't like the reasoning for it, which is why it should be 1-32 for all classes, but that's IHSA logic for ya.
So we can’t agree that there’s at least a theoretical computer algorithm that’s better than the current system without someone laying out the pseudo code for the algorithm?
Regardless, across all sport, seedings are about creating the easiest path to advanced rounds for teams that had good regular seasons. The current system is not that.
Nah, he fights until you prove him wrong. But, you need empirical evidence
No offense to any of these teams, but we aren't talking about national brands here. These would be, by definition, all communities of the same size and same relative viewership. If the idea is gain more viewership, then the obvious choice would be to have as many teams from the Chicagoland area, not try and draw fans small, rural, southern il towns.
Yes, there is a theoretical computer system that would work, but no one has come up with one for the state of Illinois.
How is the current system not that? Teams that performed the best in the regular season are seeded highest.
Again, I agree with this, which is why it should be 1-32 for all classes, but that's not what the IHSA wants.
I just enjoy a good debate with my fellow degenerate fans of high school football. I don't take any of it personal and I hope you don't either. My only issue is what many of you say on various topics comes with nothing behind it. We need a better playoff ranking system, ok I don't disagree, so what's the answer? Just saying "computers" offers nothing of substance.
So Illinois football is so fundamentally different from other states as to need a yet to be written ranking algorithm? And West Aurora performed better than the CCL Blue champ.
We will agree to disagree. Enjoy your burboun and the rest of your evening!!
We will agree to disagree. Enjoy your burboun and the rest of your evening!!
To be clear, I meant it as something respectable. Conceding when wrong, or refusing to until proven, is not a bad trait to have. I think we need more of that as a people, personally.
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