This nonsense of complicating the boundaried schools vs the multiplier vs who has the higher McDonald's to Dairy Queen ratio in each town is getting out of hand.
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Week Thirteen Selvaggio Steel Game of the Week Preview: University High Pioneers Football
We spoke with Coach Walworth, Alek Weiland and Drew Rader as the Normal University High Pioneers prepare for the 4A semifinal on Saturday night at Hancock Stadium in Normal, Illinois against the Mt. Zion Braves. The
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We caught up with the Mt Zion Braves this week as part of our Selvaggio Steel Game of the Week preview. Talking with Coach Etherton, Brayden Trimble and Jacob Harvey on their season so far, the
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U-Hugh’s AD and staff are expecting game attendance to be anywhere from 5,000-6,000 people tonight. This would make it by far the most attended game in the school’s history. ISU is also opening the half of the stadium that’s usually closed off for U-Hugh’s game, in anticipation of the huge turnout.
All..... Tough one for the Pioneers. Ratsy
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Trimble Time: Braves Beat Pioneers To Secure Spot in State Title Game
Brayden Trimble scored Mt Zion’s three touchdowns and had the game saving interception in the end zone with 18 seconds left to power the Braves to a 21-14 win over Normal University High in the 4A
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Heartbreaking end to an incredible season. Shame it ended the way it did with the interception, but still an amazing season for the pioneers.
Mt. Zion would make a great addition to the CS8. Along with a returning Taylorville, they would make school #s 13 and 14 in the CS8 once the Apollo inevitably folds. Charleston, Mattoon and Mahomet could go to the B12 which leaves only Effingham needing to find a home.
14 teams in the CS8 could easily be handled given the East-West split. C-G could slide to the West division to accommodate MTZ and T'ville.
14 teams in the CS8 could easily be handled given the East-West split. C-G could slide to the West division to accommodate MTZ and T'ville.
mtz was offered and turned the invite down
Absolutely hell to the no on Taylorville. Between Lincoln southeast and Lanphier, they will be doing a final four to see who can be the worst in the conference on a yearly basis.
Rochester, SHG, Chatham, and an occasional MacArthur will vie for the top. And those other four will be vying for the bottom. With the middle of the pack always saying, “wait til next year.”
Rochester, SHG, Chatham, and an occasional MacArthur will vie for the top. And those other four will be vying for the bottom. With the middle of the pack always saying, “wait til next year.”
I know there was one true offer, but there was only a 'discussion' the second time. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I only 100% know what I said(not being snarky).
Since the discussion was had, I'll add my two dimes worth... All for fun and discussion of course. I love this kind of stuff...
I'd take Mahomet and MTZ over any out of the Apollo... if it were up to me and we only got one.
15 years ago I'd have said Effingham and Mahomet... Times they have a changed, though...
Mahomet and MTZ would be fun inclusions to the league in current times.
Or, schmooze the top tier of the Big 12... A conference with Normal West, Normal, Peoria High, and Bloomington all together with the current CS8 would be sweet to see also.
There's also Macomb... who, hasn't always had stellar programs but is a legit 4A program and had a great go of it this season by their standard and mine. Would also fill a void and renew a rivalry for QND... But that's a selfish one and they're an enormous outlier in a revamped CS8... Simply just another 4A program out in nowhere land 217 that fits the criteria.
My personal favorite wish-list CS8 lineup, and yes, I'm going to include QND since, in my humble yet clearly biased opinion, they proved they belong this year. Plus, it's nice to see another Catholic program in the Central State... SHG HAD to be tired of carrying the load... 🤣 I kid... I kid...
CS8 West
1. QND
2. Jax
3. SHG
4. SE
5. SHS
6. Lanphier
7. Glenwood
8. Rochester
CS8 East
1. U-High
2. Lincoln
3. Mac
4. Ike
5. Bloomington
6. Normal Comm
7. Normal Comm West
8. Mahomet-Seymour
The West gets beefed up, and gives Glenwood, SHG, and Rochester the old feel again and a guaranteed game each year. Plus QND gets a shot at not getting blown out by the big 3... Plus you keep the regional(stretchy ish) rivalry alive and have an All-Sangamon county section again.
The East gets an old feel also as old rivalries and memories of the OG B12 come back with Mac and Ike together again with old foes Norm Comm, Norm West, Bloomington... plus U-High gets some local opponents. And Mahomet is ever deserving of a CS8 bid in my opinion. They're usually solid and the program is run well, imo.
That makes for 7 conference games, 2 non-conf for the big boys who like to prove their worth outside of the 217... And, as was the case this year, no one could fault QND for a perfect run through that schedule... not that it would EVER F***ING HAPPEN. At least I mean, we don't have any precedence to rely on... I don't think anyone has ever beaten SHG, Rochester, Glenwood in the same single season... A new challenge awaits!!!!
The Central State Sixteen... It just rolls off the tongue so nicely! 😇
I'd take Mahomet and MTZ over any out of the Apollo... if it were up to me and we only got one.
15 years ago I'd have said Effingham and Mahomet... Times they have a changed, though...
Mahomet and MTZ would be fun inclusions to the league in current times.
Or, schmooze the top tier of the Big 12... A conference with Normal West, Normal, Peoria High, and Bloomington all together with the current CS8 would be sweet to see also.
There's also Macomb... who, hasn't always had stellar programs but is a legit 4A program and had a great go of it this season by their standard and mine. Would also fill a void and renew a rivalry for QND... But that's a selfish one and they're an enormous outlier in a revamped CS8... Simply just another 4A program out in nowhere land 217 that fits the criteria.
My personal favorite wish-list CS8 lineup, and yes, I'm going to include QND since, in my humble yet clearly biased opinion, they proved they belong this year. Plus, it's nice to see another Catholic program in the Central State... SHG HAD to be tired of carrying the load... 🤣 I kid... I kid...
CS8 West
1. QND
2. Jax
3. SHG
4. SE
5. SHS
6. Lanphier
7. Glenwood
8. Rochester
CS8 East
1. U-High
2. Lincoln
3. Mac
4. Ike
5. Bloomington
6. Normal Comm
7. Normal Comm West
8. Mahomet-Seymour
The West gets beefed up, and gives Glenwood, SHG, and Rochester the old feel again and a guaranteed game each year. Plus QND gets a shot at not getting blown out by the big 3... Plus you keep the regional(stretchy ish) rivalry alive and have an All-Sangamon county section again.
The East gets an old feel also as old rivalries and memories of the OG B12 come back with Mac and Ike together again with old foes Norm Comm, Norm West, Bloomington... plus U-High gets some local opponents. And Mahomet is ever deserving of a CS8 bid in my opinion. They're usually solid and the program is run well, imo.
That makes for 7 conference games, 2 non-conf for the big boys who like to prove their worth outside of the 217... And, as was the case this year, no one could fault QND for a perfect run through that schedule... not that it would EVER F***ING HAPPEN. At least I mean, we don't have any precedence to rely on... I don't think anyone has ever beaten SHG, Rochester, Glenwood in the same single season... A new challenge awaits!!!!
The Central State Sixteen... It just rolls off the tongue so nicely! 😇
And also just because...
A CS8/Apollo consolidation... of sorts...
CS8 West
1. QND
2. Jax
3. SHG
4. SHS
5. Lanphier
6. SE
7. Rochester
8. Glenwood
CS8 East
1. U-High
2. Lincoln
3. Taylorville
4. Mahomet
5. Ike
6. Mac
7. MTZ
8. Mattoon
Sorry Effingham and ChuckVegas... Dat booty ain't round enough...
Again, keeps Sangamon County teams together, rivalries protected. Top tier in the West is familiar, and only stronger with the inclusion of QND, imo.
I personally think the East would be a sweet conference in this setup. Lots of potential champions year in and year out. Any combination of Mac, MTZ, U-High, and Mahomet could win any given year...
A CS8/Apollo consolidation... of sorts...
CS8 West
1. QND
2. Jax
3. SHG
4. SHS
5. Lanphier
6. SE
7. Rochester
8. Glenwood
CS8 East
1. U-High
2. Lincoln
3. Taylorville
4. Mahomet
5. Ike
6. Mac
7. MTZ
8. Mattoon
Sorry Effingham and ChuckVegas... Dat booty ain't round enough...
Again, keeps Sangamon County teams together, rivalries protected. Top tier in the West is familiar, and only stronger with the inclusion of QND, imo.
I personally think the East would be a sweet conference in this setup. Lots of potential champions year in and year out. Any combination of Mac, MTZ, U-High, and Mahomet could win any given year...
so the original cs8 minus Lincoln with qnd in it's place?
Basically, yes, hadn't really thought of it that way. I mean QND kind of throws a wrench, per the usual, into any geographical logistics for the CS8. But so does Jax and so would Effingham and any Peoria school etc, etc...
Really, at the end of the day, the CS8 isn't ours to create freely, obviously, but we can dream or wish or play out what-if's...
I'll post it later, but in my head I'd rather see the Apollo, Big 12, CS8, and (cherry picked) from the Sangamo Williamsville and Maroa...
That's 31 teams... you can ditch Effingham or QND for geographical reasons OR ditch your biggest loser, in this case that would be Urbana who's won but only 5.5% of their football games over the past 10 years... but imo, head to head (again biased) I'm taking QND over Effingham. Although the win % test would tell us Effingham wins at a higher clip each season... They don't pose the same threat in the postseason, which is still minimal at best with either option. But, this then creates 3 ten team closed conferences. Have a CS8 Large, CS8 Small, and CS8 whatever (can't think of a good name) for everyone else... Levels the regular season comp, gives the big teams more meaningful games against the quality they seek, gives the middle of the road teams a chance to fight amongst each other, and the bottom feeders get more chance to make the playoffs, essentially, because they aren't facing the juggernauts every other week. Then, every so often, say 2 years, 3 years... you rework it to align the best with the best, the middle road, and the bottom feeders. Kind of like Promotion/Relegation in soccer in a rough about American football way. I just haven't landed on a direct set of stats you could use to determine/justify this... I'm sure it's simpler than I'm making it currently.
Idk, just hashing it all out in the head... it sounds good in theory in my own, but I'm sure most would hate it. Obviously the top tier would see some teams who normally cruise through to qualify for the playoffs now fighting for their lives by week 6 and so on and so on...
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So, I took the Big 12, CS8, Apollo, and the two cherry-picked programs from the Sangamo that I personally think could often compete fine in the CS8 as exists in many years. 31 teams total minus Effingham who got the boot. I boiled it down to Danville, Effingham, QND, and Urbana... Danville, QND, Effingham all for geographical reasons, Urbana because they're team 31 of 31 if ranking all 31 on winning percentage over the past 10 years. Which is what I did... took each team's winning percentage from the past 10 years, ranked them based off that, then divided them into 3 separate closed conferences. Effingham just seemed after I thought for a minute on it the most logical team to boot. They just felt out of place in this to me. And since it's fictional, hypothetical, all for fun... Sorry Flaming Hearts...
Again, the caveat here is pro/rel... sort of. So every 2 years the conference(s) would take winning percentages of the past 10 years, dropping off 2 seasons and replacing them with the previous 2 seasons... The number of years used can be lessened, I just started with 10 for a small historical sample size. I'm not sold on it, and surely there's a better way. The simplest being each season the conferences "scramble" and teams move up and down. Either way, then bottom two from top/mid divisions are relegated down, top two from bottom/mid divisions are promoted up.
Anyways, below is how that would look if we started next season, based on the past 10 years of all 30 programs in this scenario.
First, the 30 teams listed by winning percentage within their current conference setup...
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New Conferences
CS8 - 1st/Top Division
1. Rochester (89.3)
2. Maroa-Forsyth (85.1)
3. Williamsville (83.0)
4. Normal Comm (80.4)
5. SHG (80.3)
6. Normal West (70.6)
7. Glenwood (70.5)
8. Peoria HS (69.7)
9. Mt. Zion (69.3)
10. Mahomet-Seymour (63.9)
CS8 - 2nd/Mid Division
1. Taylorville (59.8)
2. Peoria ND (58.2)
3. QND (57.4)
4. Danville (53.8)
5. Springfield HS (48.4)
6. Bloomington (48.3)
7. Jacksonville (47.8)
8. Normal U-High (46.2)
9. MacArthur (43.6)
10. Champaign Central (42.4)
CS8 - 3rd/Bottom Division
1. Champaign Centennial (40.9)
2. Mattoon (34.4)
3. Lincoln (30.7)
4. Charleston (30.3)
5. Peoria Richwoods (29.4) --------------> this story need a rewind
6. Southeast (26.4)
7. Eisenhower (22.3)
8. Lanphier (17.2)
9. Peoria Manual (11.5)
10. Urbana (5.5)
It ain't perfect, but it's fun... for me at least.
Again, the caveat here is pro/rel... sort of. So every 2 years the conference(s) would take winning percentages of the past 10 years, dropping off 2 seasons and replacing them with the previous 2 seasons... The number of years used can be lessened, I just started with 10 for a small historical sample size. I'm not sold on it, and surely there's a better way. The simplest being each season the conferences "scramble" and teams move up and down. Either way, then bottom two from top/mid divisions are relegated down, top two from bottom/mid divisions are promoted up.
Anyways, below is how that would look if we started next season, based on the past 10 years of all 30 programs in this scenario.
First, the 30 teams listed by winning percentage within their current conference setup...
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New Conferences
CS8 - 1st/Top Division
1. Rochester (89.3)
2. Maroa-Forsyth (85.1)
3. Williamsville (83.0)
4. Normal Comm (80.4)
5. SHG (80.3)
6. Normal West (70.6)
7. Glenwood (70.5)
8. Peoria HS (69.7)
9. Mt. Zion (69.3)
10. Mahomet-Seymour (63.9)
CS8 - 2nd/Mid Division
1. Taylorville (59.8)
2. Peoria ND (58.2)
3. QND (57.4)
4. Danville (53.8)
5. Springfield HS (48.4)
6. Bloomington (48.3)
7. Jacksonville (47.8)
8. Normal U-High (46.2)
9. MacArthur (43.6)
10. Champaign Central (42.4)
CS8 - 3rd/Bottom Division
1. Champaign Centennial (40.9)
2. Mattoon (34.4)
3. Lincoln (30.7)
4. Charleston (30.3)
5. Peoria Richwoods (29.4) --------------> this story need a rewind
6. Southeast (26.4)
7. Eisenhower (22.3)
8. Lanphier (17.2)
9. Peoria Manual (11.5)
10. Urbana (5.5)
It ain't perfect, but it's fun... for me at least.
All.... Lots of territorial folks in those other conferences. That would be a difficult sell. Oddly there are already some fans not happy with the new West - East configuration in the CS8. Among others Spartan and Lanphier fans. Only a few I talked with and they didn't put it the way I am but want to see a Have and Have Not in the Central State Eight.
The conference will do a review after two seasons but I can't see thathappening. Someone in a loaded blood bath conference would risk not making the playoffs. And on the flip side a one and done in the playoffs likely for a school that has played a weak schedule. Some tweaking might come after year two but I can't see much. Ratsy
The conference will do a review after two seasons but I can't see thathappening. Someone in a loaded blood bath conference would risk not making the playoffs. And on the flip side a one and done in the playoffs likely for a school that has played a weak schedule. Some tweaking might come after year two but I can't see much. Ratsy
oops. I can't believe no one caught this. I forgot taylorville was an 'og' member and not rochester. carry on.
that was the plan when the cs8 was in discussion of combining with the big 12. i believe it was a 2 year review for realignment.
On the contrary.. if you keep the "divisions" small enough (cough CCL/ESCC cough) the risk for the "top tier" is far less... for missing the playoffs that is.
All.... A couple of Sucrets will take care of that cough. Roamin' leave those Chi-Town area Catholics alone. 😇 Ratsy
Won't hear me badmouthing them... Even if they are the larger reason we're ALL going to get forced into a situation we don't care for... again... Sorry not sorry, but I'll go down with many others in rural Illinois when the fight arrives for separation. We deserve to have a chance to win state titles as well. Condemning us to a league of super "villains" privates only is the death of athletics at our institutions. And that's only IF our doors aren't shuttered before that day arrives...
Whilst the public lot are convicting and scheming up yet another plot to destroy the panhandle (privates), I thought it more fun to think about football and how it could look in Illinois. Clearly I'm in the minority.
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