Contact days cut and ejection rule changed

[mc140]

Proposal 17 (Passes 317-227-17): Modifies the number of summer contact days restriction from 25 to 20 days.

Proposal 25 (Passes 385-116-59): Modifies the suspension for ejection of unsportsmanlike conduct by players in football to be ineligible for the remainder of the quarter they are ejected and the next four (4) quarters at that level and all other interscholastic contests at any level in the interim, in addition to
other penalties by IHSA or the school may assess.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

I like the ejection rule. The other, not so much

 

[MMA_Det]

I wish that the standing up of the O line to draw the D off sides would be eliminated

 

[USD24]

Proposal 17 (Passes 317-227-17): Modifies the number of summer contact days restriction from 25 to 20 days.

Proposal 25 (Passes 385-116-59): Modifies the suspension for ejection of unsportsmanlike conduct by players in football to be ineligible for the remainder of the quarter they are ejected and the next four (4) quarters at that level and all other interscholastic contests at any level in the interim, in addition to
other penalties by IHSA or the school may assess.

How is this different from the previous suspension for ejection?

 

[mc140]

How is this different from the previous suspension for ejection?

If you got ejected in the first quarter of a game. You were out the rest of that game and the next game.

 

[pjjp]

Proposal 17 (Passes 317-227-17): Modifies the number of summer contact days restriction from 25 to 20 days.

Anyone have any insight on this? Was there a push to limit contact days in the summer? I'm guessing this is not something coaches were advocating.

 

[mc140]

Anyone have any insight on this? Was there a push to limit contact days in the summer? I'm guessing this is not something coaches were advocating.

Coaches can be there own worst enemies. A big reason there is a shortage of qualified coaches is the summer commitment. Which is unpaid or barely paid at a lot of places.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Anyone have any insight on this? Was there a push to limit contact days in the summer? I'm guessing this is not something coaches were advocating.

5 less days isn't really going to make any difference, JMO.

 

[saints78]

Last year the proposal was to reduce it to 18 and it failed, 20 seems like a compromise. Some multiple sport athletes will now hopefully have less things to juggle. To me this is a good thing, some summers were making the season feel like it went from June to November!!!

 

[colin2229]

where is a link to where all the football rules are?

 

[ignazio]

I believe the terminology is “disqualification” not “ejection” thus the rule is null and void.

The term ejection does not appear in the NFHS rules.
#privateschool
#IQmultiplier

 

[McCaravan]

Anyone have any insight on this? Was there a push to limit contact days in the summer? I'm guessing this is not something coaches were advocating.

I think because it benefited Private Schools....kidding! kidding! 😀

 

[Mickey Featherstone]

1-Start August 1st since school year starts earlier now and you have the scrimmage Week 0
2-No Football in Summer/Lifting Only
3-Allow coaches to have a summer/Can alternate days covering weights
4-Most importantly allow kids to have a summer
5-Kids and coaches would be more excited to start on August 1st and fresh and actually be excited to see each other
6-Kids who are basketball/baseball kids who wouldn't play before might actually come out on August 1st

 

[colin2229]

1-Start August 1st since school year starts earlier now and you have the scrimmage Week 0
2-No Football in Summer/Lifting Only
3-Allow coaches to have a summer/Can alternate days covering weights
4-Most importantly allow kids to have a summer
5-Kids and coaches would be more excited to start on August 1st and fresh and actually be excited to see each other
6-Kids who are basketball/baseball kids who wouldn't play before might actually come out on August 1st

Nah

If you love the game you love the summer.

 

[saints78]

1-Start August 1st since school year starts earlier now and you have the scrimmage Week 0
2-No Football in Summer/Lifting Only
3-Allow coaches to have a summer/Can alternate days covering weights
4-Most importantly allow kids to have a summer
5-Kids and coaches would be more excited to start on August 1st and fresh and actually be excited to see each other
6-Kids who are basketball/baseball kids who wouldn't play before might actually come out on August 1st

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE

 

[4Afan]

Nah

If you love the game you love the summer.

Pretty sure most teenagers would enjoy the extra days off.

 

[missingwalter]

I wish that the standing up of the O line to draw the D off sides would be eliminated

Minooka would have to shut the program down

 

[BoredRef77]

I wish that the standing up of the O line to draw the D off sides would be eliminated

Every other state EXCEPT Illinois calls that a false start. Its something many officials have argued for years but apparently the state interpreters have other opinions

 

[colin2229]

Pretty sure most teenagers would enjoy the extra days off.

Not mandatory that you have to use all the dates.

 

[mc140]

Not mandatory that you have to use all the dates.

Which gets back to protecting coaches from themselves.

 

[EdgyTim]

Biggest issue I'ver heard over the years is the unlimited amount of games via travel ball etc and that the "other" sports are pretty much non stop. 25 to 20 contact days won't have a huge impact and a larger majority of coaches I've talked to about it more often than not won't go more than 20 days already

Love the idea of August 1st as long as the football coaches have full access to it's kids with zero interference from other/travel sports

 

[colin2229]

Which gets back to protecting coaches from themselves.

Lets not have any contact days either than. Limit practices to only 60min. Nothing on Saturday or Sundays. Only 15 kids can practice at a time....

 

[crusader_of_90]

Every other state EXCEPT Illinois calls that a false start. Its something many officials have argued for years but apparently the state interpreters have other opinions

What do you think of this offense that Althoff used for a decade? Team Offense - set up off-balanced to the right or left. Linemen in pass protection stance. On cadence, the entire team shifts to a new formation, linemen still in Pass Pro stance, third cadence they get set, hand on the ground. Or, they run a play on first sound from the off-balanced formation.

Team (shift or GO!)
Set (Change from Pass Pro stance to hand on the ground)
21 (The usual GO cadence, or 21, 22 if on two.)


Start at 0:30

 

[Mickey Featherstone]

Colin...what if I told you some highly successful programs have gotten away from film on Saturdays and bringing kids in. What if I told you there are teams out there who don't hit all week long and are the most physical teams out there...what if I told you the previous post I shared is how a very football crazed state sets up their summers.

As someone mentioned on here coaches are their own worst enemies and a lot of them prescribe to what I like to call "Dumb Hustle"

 

[Mickey Featherstone]

Also I think we all agree if a kid came up to you and said "Coach I have to play travel baseball or AAU basketball all summer I can't make it" we would all respond "See you August 9th" especially if that said player is the difference between 5-4 and 14-0. Anyone who says otherwise is full of you know what.

 

[mc140]

Lets not have any contact days either than. Limit practices to only 60min. Nothing on Saturday or Sundays. Only 15 kids can practice at a time....

I'm listening...

 

[BoredRef77]

What do you think of this offense that Althoff used for a decade? Team Offense - set up off-balanced to the right or left. Linemen in pass protection stance. On cadence, the entire team shifts to a new formation, linemen still in Pass Pro stance, third cadence they get set, hand on the ground. Or, they run a play on first sound from the off-balanced formation.

Team (shift or GO!)
Set (Change from Pass Pro stance to hand on the ground)
21 (The usual GO cadence, or 21, 22 if on two.)

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Start at 0:30

Nothing wrong with that - smooth and clearly not an intent to simulate the snap.

There’s a reason you don’t see college programs doing that hard snap up/down to draw the the defense offsides and the wording of the rule in both codes are very similar!

Get rid of it!

 

[colin2229]

Colin...what if I told you some highly successful programs have gotten away from film on Saturdays and bringing kids in. What if I told you there are teams out there who don't hit all week long and are the most physical teams out there...what if I told you the previous post I shared is how a very football crazed state sets up their summers.

As someone mentioned on here coaches are their own worst enemies and a lot of them prescribe to what I like to call "Dumb Hustle"

The problem with your previous post and why that can't work is the weather in Illinois.

The states that don't do football activities in the summer are in the south and have spring football practices. You can't do that in Illinois.

People act like players and coaches don't like practicing together in the summer - getting ready for the season. If you love football - you love spending two hours together practicing your craft. If you don't, either the program culture needs work or you don't love football.

I really like the way Batavia does it. June and the first week of July is weights or off. and then Football camp for 4 weeks in July. They use 19 out of the 25 contact dates.

Batavia Football Calendar

 

[Mickey Featherstone]

Colin-I see your valid points, in the south programs do get the option to bypass spring ball and get to start early such as August 1st since it best fits their situation and as we know you have to fit the situation your in to reach that situations ceiling. Though we disagree on a few points I feel we both can agree that we put the kids first and remember it's their experience not the adults. There are a handful of kids who might place football lower on the pecking order of what is important to them who come out and are huge difference makers on Friday nights.

One thing I always thought was crazy is how many people especially around the Chicago suburbs believe programs should all go by a 'one size fits all' mentality. What works for one program might not work for another and doesn't mean its right or wrong. Also there are coaches out there coaching their @sses off who are finishing the season 14-0 while others are working just as hard that go 2-7 with their team. Some of the best coaching jobs are being done by guys around the country who finished 3-7/5-5.

 

[4Afan]

People act like players and coaches don't like practicing together in the summer - getting ready for the season. If you love football - you love spending two hours together practicing your craft. If you don't, either the program culture needs work or you don't love football.

You act like all teenagers and coaches, many of them volunteers, want to do in the summer is play football. Some kids have just finished summer baseball and would prefer time off before football starts. Coaches have families and may want to take them on vacation before their kids go back to school. You can love something, like football, and still not want to do it 24/7 and still be successful.

Ask a 15-18 year old boy if he would rather spend a summer afternoon lifting and conditioning or hanging out at a buddy's pool with his girlfriend in a bikini and you may be disappointed how many choose football.

You can also be a very successful program with a great culture and still give kids and coaches time off.

 

[Mickey Featherstone]

To quote Allen Iverson "We talking about practice"...I have come to find practice is very overrated.

4a-We can really derail this thread quick so I will stop before I get going on what many 15-18 years shoot many coaches young and old would rather be doing. Always found it funny when coaches would comment "when I was their age I never took a sprint off, play off.." etc. its keeping things in perspective.

 

[crusader_of_90]

I know times change. I did not see Coach Schott or others, unless by accident, during the summer. It was on us to lift. But by all means, vacation with the family, get a job, play baseball and, (unspoken), chase some tail.

Three weeks before the season started, team leaders organized "grass drills" - running camp. The Old Man had three metrics he looked to see what you did over the summer. Your bench, your squat and the mile. Skills had to be done in 6:00, linebackers in 6:30 and linemen in 7:00. Miss your time, do it daily until you make it. OH - that was with helmet.

Sure, we know distance running is not the best training, but it was his way of checking the oil.

 

[Mickey Featherstone]

One thing I think should be adopted and is done in other states the kids go and play their weekly summer 7/7 leagues without the coaches calling it. The kids call it and they can put their wristbands on and roll. Coaches will sit in the end zone but the kids are responsible for running and calling the scheme. I think its a great way for the kids to learn it, experiment, get more buy in, and make it fun

 

[colin2229]

You act like all teenagers and coaches, many of them volunteers, want to do in the summer is play football. Some kids have just finished summer baseball and would prefer time off before football starts. Coaches have families and may want to take them on vacation before their kids go back to school. You can love something, like football, and still not want to do it 24/7 and still be successful.

Ask a 15-18 year old boy if he would rather spend a summer afternoon lifting and conditioning or hanging out at a buddy's pool with his girlfriend in a bikini and you may be disappointed how many choose football.

You can also be a very successful program with a great culture and still give kids and coaches time off.

You can go to the pool, chase tail, relax and go on vacation AND…..still do football in the summer.

And you can relax to and recharge.

 

[4Afan]

You can go to the pool, chase tail, relax and go on vacation AND…..still do football in the summer.

And you can relax to and recharge.

You're asking for quite commitment from the kids, but even more so the coaches. Like I said, many are volunteers and the rest are also teachers who need to get ready for classes. Not sure how it works at private schools, but public school coaches who are also teachers just get an additional stipend to coach, and it's not nearly as much as you may think. This is HS football and for 99% of kids it's just another extracurricular activity.

 

[colin2229]

You're asking for quite commitment from the kids, but even more so the coaches. Like I said, many are volunteers and the rest are also teachers who need to get ready for classes. Not sure how it works at private schools, but public school coaches who are also teachers just get an additional stipend to coach, and it's not nearly as much as you may think. This is HS football and for 99% of kids it's just another extracurricular activity.

Being great takes commitment.

Agree to simply disagree here,

 

[4Afan]

Being great takes commitment.

Agree to simply disagree here,

There was a RB years back for Morris who may have had a legendary game they wrote a book about and also had one of the best seasons in IHSA history and football wasn't his favorite sport and went on to wrestle in college. He was pretty great and did what was asked of him, but he wasn't going above and beyond anything his teammates were doing during the summer.

Stop being one of those guys who still wears his letterman's jacket and thinks success in HS football is the pinnacle of life.

 

[colin2229]

There was a RB years back for Morris who may have had a legendary game they wrote a book about and also had one of the best seasons in IHSA history and football wasn't his favorite sport and went on to wrestle in college. He was pretty great and did what was asked of him, but he wasn't going above and beyond anything his teammates were doing during the summer.

Stop being one of those guys who still wears his letterman's jacket and thinks success in HS football is the pinnacle of life.

k

 

[pjjp]

k

Well played.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

There is obviously a happy middle ground.