Bolingbrook now looking for a Week1 game for 2023 and 2024?

[mc140]

You forgot to "Spot Check" 2021

67 players and 58 upperclassmen.

The JCA Wrestling team is a state power now. Basketball team was a sectional finalist and baseball is still pumping out D1 players on a yearly basis.

Now do the CCL Blue school enrollments and athletic success. MC has lost over 25% of their student population in the last 25 years and hasn't missed a beat in the higher classes.

But if you are going to argue playing Peotone and Manteno is more appropriate for schools like JCA, go right ahead...

 

[ramblinman]

You forgot to "Spot Check" 2021

I didn't forget. You said 20 years, and I chose a convenient 19 year period ending in 2018.

67 players and 58 upperclassmen.

What are the chances that ONE UP YEAR in an otherwise downward trend is the beginning of an upward trend for JCA? Or is it more likely a blip in an otherwise downward trend? If you want to believe that they've turned it around and it's all uphill from here, you go right ahead. But do you really want to hang your hat on that?

Now do the CCL Blue school enrollments and athletic success.

Now you are attempting to walk back your statement. Before it was a very general "private schools," with no qualification. Now you want me to check the CCL Blue schools. Tell you what: I'll check them when you check Alleman and Bishop Mac and post the results of your investigation.

MC has lost over 25% of their student population in the last 25 years and hasn't missed a beat in the higher classes.

Good for them. I bet Loyola is looking good in that area also. Finding a couple of schools like those doesn't prove your point because you said "private schools." You didn't specify the real successful ones like you are trying to do now which substantially changes your original narrative. You. Said. Private. Schools. For every MC and Loyola you find, I will find a Bishop Mac and Alleman and Aquin and Rockford Lutheran and...

But if you are going to argue playing Peotone and Manteno is more appropriate for schools like JCA, go right ahead...

Now you are putting words in my mouth. When and where did I argue that ? What I was arguing was your generalization about private schools and how they still are getting the same number of athletes over the past 20 years.

Here were your specific words, "One thing the last 20 years has shown is school enrollment has zero to do with athletic success for private schools. It is not the athletes no longer attending"

Tell that to Alleman.

 

[mc140]

I didn't forget. You said 20 years, and I chose a convenient 19 year period ending in 2018.



What are the chances that ONE UP YEAR in an otherwise downward trend is the beginning of an upward trend for JCA? Or is it more likely a blip in an otherwise downward trend? If you want to believe that they've turned it around and it's all uphill from here, you go right ahead. But do you really want to hang your hat on that?



Now you are attempting to walk back your statement. Before it was a very general "private schools," with no qualification. Now you want me to check the CCL Blue schools. Tell you what: I'll check them when you check Alleman and Bishop Mac and post the results of your investigation.



Good for them. I bet Loyola is looking good in that area also. Finding a couple of schools like those doesn't prove your point because you said "private schools." You didn't specify the real successful ones like you are trying to do now which substantially changes your original narrative. You. Said. Private. Schools. For every MC and Loyola you find, I will find a Bishop Mac and Alleman and Aquin and Rockford Lutheran and...



Now you are putting words in my mouth. When and where did I argue that ? What I was arguing was your generalization about private schools and how they still are getting the same number of athletes over the past 20 years.

Here were your specific words, "One thing the last 20 years has shown is school enrollment has zero to do with athletic success for private schools. It is not the athletes no longer attending"

Tell that to Alleman.

Small private schools just need to work harder like St. Francis DeSales basketball. They won zero games last year and this year played in a Super Sectional. All with about 50 boys in the school.

I would like to know in your opinion why significant drops in enrollment have not hurt a high percentage of private schools playing in the biggest classes?

In actuality the drop in enrollment has helped private schools athletically with a few like Alleman being the exception. You get the same top athletes and play a combination of similar privates and out gunned public schools. As Driscoll showed, school health and athletic health do not have to correlated. ICCP has seen 20 percent drop in enrollment and hasn't missed a beat athletically in the last 15 years.

 

[ramblinman]

Small private schools just need to work harder like St. Francis DeSales basketball. They won zero games last year and this year played in a Super Sectional. All with about 50 boys in the school.

You forgot to mention that SFDS finished the season at 14-22. They got doubled up on in the supers by a team that got trounced in the following game.

14-22 is a huge improvement over going winless the year before, but it is hardly indicative of extraordinary success.

You pick the strangest things on which to hinge your arguments.

I would like to know in your opinion why significant drops in enrollment have not hurt a high percentage of private schools playing in the biggest classes?

Now you remind me of HHSTF. You make a generalization, get called out for it, don't admit your error, and then change the subject. But, I'll give a go at your request anyway.

Keeping this conversation to football and the biggest classes, there aren't all that many private schools playing in the biggest classes to begin with. Loyola is Loyola, and they haven't experienced a significant drop in enrollment in recent years. Neither have Marist, Benet, SICP, or NDCP, but feel free to hinge your argument on them if you want.

What does that leave us with? Basically, MC, Rice, PC, and Rita. I'll grant you those four. Hardly all private schools that your earlier post generalized.

In actuality the drop in enrollment has helped private schools athletically with a few like Alleman being the exception. You get the same top athletes and play a combination of similar privates and out gunned public schools. As Driscoll showed, school health and athletic health do not have to correlated. ICCP has seen 20 percent drop in enrollment and hasn't missed a beat athletically in the last 15 years.

You are changing your tune. Shuck and jive. Bob and weave. Distract. Deflect. Duck.

You are backtracking by changing the subject without acknowledging that you generalized. Just admit you made a mistake and we're all good.

How has playing in smaller classes helped Rockford Lutheran? Walther Christian? Pat's? ACC? CCHS? St Ed's? Both Marians? DLS? Viator? St Bede? Peoria ND?

Here's the actuality: There are a handful or so of private schools that were always successful that continue to be so despite a substantial drop of enrollment.

 

[ClownBaby]

One thing the last 20 years has shown is school enrollment has zero to do with athletic success for private schools. It is not the athletes no longer attending, it is the regular students.

I'm not sure why people get so offended by this statement but as Driscoll showed a good football program can mask a lot of problems. If private schools want to be around long term many of them will need to figure out how to reverse this trend because if the main reason people are going to your school is sports you won't last another 25 years and beyond.

 

[ignazio]

Any private school with an enrollment struggle should adopt one of the following strategies:
1. The St Francis Wheaton route, totally wimp out and leave the challenging conference, join a patsy one, regroup, rebuild, then rejoin. Or,
2. Drop all sports except lacrosse, which will have 200 kids, none likely to need financial assistance. As time progresses, add sports.

 

[USD24]

Any private school with an enrollment struggle should adopt one of the following strategies:
1. The St Francis Wheaton route, totally wimp out and leave the challenging conference, join a patsy one, regroup, rebuild, then rejoin. Or,
2. Drop all sports except lacrosse, which will have 200 kids, none likely to need financial assistance. As time progresses, add sports.

I'm sure that would be successful with all the rich, lacrosse playing kids in Joliet.

 

[ignazio]

I'm sure that would be successful with all the rich, lacrosse playing kids in Joliet.

Crew and sailing come next.
Let Trip and Molly know. Ahoy!

 

[ClownBaby]

Any private school with an enrollment struggle should adopt one of the following strategies:
1. The St Francis Wheaton route, totally wimp out and leave the challenging conference, join a patsy one, regroup, rebuild, then rejoin. Or,
2. Drop all sports except lacrosse, which will have 200 kids, none likely to need financial assistance. As time progresses, add sports.

How many of the kids they brought will jump ship as soon as they don't sneeze and win 7 games?

 

[ramblinman]

How many of the kids they brought will jump ship as soon as they don't sneeze and win 7 games?

Beating the likes of Peoria, Prospect, Lake Forest, IC, Rochelle, etc. over the last several years were some honkin' big sneezes for the Spartans. Ahhh chooo!

 

[HRCJR]

That said the last 20 years it has shown success with Athletes. See Loyal and MC last year and JCA the year before. Let’s not kid ourselves. Privates keep trying to hide the athletic success but it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to see they have success recruiting top athletes. I get that it’s hard to recruit normal everyday students that want to pay tuition for a Catholic education but let’s not pretend the big Catholic schools don’t recruit the big time players. The school success draws them in for sure. 😊

How do you explain the recent (5-6 years) athletic success at Ignatius using your reasoning.? Football, basketball semifinalists this year. Many other sports winning regionals and sectionals.

Disclaimer - I went to LA, my son to Ignatius class of '17. Big difference athletically in the school from the time he enrolled until now. But harder to get into. Why is that? When my son, my wife and I had his first meeting with his college counselor, he was asked what he wanted out of a college and he said without missing a beat, "Something less rigorous than St. Ignatius"

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Beating the likes of Peoria, Prospect, Lake Forest, IC, Rochelle, etc. over the last several years were some honkin' big sneezes for the Spartans. Ahhh chooo!

Sterling

 

[ignazio]

Beating the likes of Peoria, Prospect, Lake Forest, IC, Rochelle, etc. over the last several years were some honkin' big sneezes for the Spartans. Ahhh chooo!

As long as don’t have to play any games in Chicago, they should be fine.

 

[corey90]

How do you explain the recent (5-6 years) athletic success at Ignatius using your reasoning.? Football, basketball semifinalists this year. Many other sports winning regionals and sectionals.

Disclaimer - I went to LA, my son to Ignatius class of '17. Big difference athletically in the school from the time he enrolled until now. But harder to get into. Why is that? When my son, my wife and I had his first meeting with his college counselor, he was asked what he wanted out of a college and he said without missing a beat, "Something less rigorous than St. Ignatius"

How do you explain the recent (5-6 years) athletic success at Ignatius using your reasoning.? Football, basketball semifinalists this year. Many other sports winning regionals and sectionals.

If the goal is to win state tell me when St. Ignatius has won state In football? Iggy is an excellent academic school, no arguments from me at all but they’re not recruiting athletes like the power programs like MC, LA and JCA among others. Iggy finds some good athletes but they are they are known for their high academic standards not sports. I am not saying they don’t find success but not at the level every year like the schools I mentioned.

 

[ignazio]

How do you explain the recent (5-6 years) athletic success at Ignatius using your reasoning.?

130 zip codes.

 

[McCaravan]

Looks like Bolingbrooks 4 Star WR I'Marion Stewart transferred to Kenwood so maybe they were looking to lighten their load schedule wise.

 

[corey90]

Looks like Bolingbrooks 4 Star WR I'Marion Stewart transferred to Kenwood so maybe they were looking to lighten their load schedule wise.

Who is going to throw to him? Bolingbrook QB pretty damn good.

 

[guerinfbfan]

I think your 1 v 1 (starting 11) these programs could match up, but the depth is the issue. Could JCA matchup 1 through 11 with an LWE? Maybe, but what about 12 through 45? Thats where things have changed as enrollment in the privates has dipped.

 

[godfthr53]

Looks like Bolingbrooks 4 Star WR I'Marion Stewart transferred to Kenwood so maybe they were looking to lighten their load schedule wise.

Where do you see that?

 

[chakazulu89]

Where do you see that?

Look at Edgy's breakout season post..

 

[chakazulu89]

Who is going to throw to him? Bolingbrook QB pretty damn good.

Kenwood's QB is no slouch either. McFarland. Bolingbrook QB I heard is out.

 

[Cross Bones]

Where do you see that?

Yeah he's gone. It's why I pointed out that Kenwood facing LWE will be interesting.

So how about those Cubbies?

 

[ramblinman]

130 zip codes.

130 zip codes, seven counties, and two states.

 

[USD24]

130 zip codes, seven counties, and two states.

How many countries?

 

[MKEDave]

Yeah he's gone. It's why I pointed out that Kenwood facing LWE will be interesting.

So how about those Cubbies?

The qb (Jonas) isn't leaving is he? Loved watching that kid play.

 

[forlouann]

The qb (Jonas) isn't leaving is he? Loved watching that kid play.

Welcome to the board

 

[Cross Bones]

The qb (Jonas) isn't leaving is he? Loved watching that kid play.

I wouldn't be shocked if some football factories were in his ear.

 

[McCaravan]

The qb (Jonas) isn't leaving is he? Loved watching that kid play.

I have no idea but I have to believe with the Freshman season he had and the offers he’s getting that he is definitely on IMG’s radar.

 

[McCaravan]

Who is going to throw to him? Bolingbrook QB pretty damn good.

They got a decent QB. They also got one of Rita’s RBs Ethan Middleton and a huge Oline. They got a 4 star DE but outside of him their defense doesn’t have any big names but their offense with these 2 new additions will score points.

 

[corey90]

They got a decent QB. They also got one of Rita’s RBs Ethan Middleton and a huge Oline. They got a 4 star DE but outside of him their defense doesn’t have any big names but their offense with these 2 new additions will score points.

I heard LWE has a game with them? Or was that just gossip?

 

[McCaravan]

I heard LWE has a game with them? Or was that just gossip?

They got LWE week 1 and SR week 2

 

[guerinfbfan]

130 zip codes, seven counties, and two states.

This better be engraved on the championship rings!

 

[corey90]

They got LWE week 1 and SR week 2

Nice
Should be a couple of real tests.

 

[corey90]

This better be engraved on the championship rings!

Something to be proud of for sure!

 

[FBFever7]

They closed in 2009

 

[godfthr53]

I wouldn't be shocked if some football factories were in his ear.

Better sleep with the lights on.

 

[Cross Bones]

Better sleep with the lights on.

Hopefully our GM is matching offers and adding pieces. I hear there's an heir apparent that might end up at Joliet West bc he's a hooper. Yes, I know it sounds silly, why would a hooper/footballer in district already find their way to Joliet West? Why would anyone wear skinny jeans?

 

[FBFever7]

Gary Bowman is open though

 

[pjjp]

Hopefully our GM is matching offers and adding pieces. I hear there's an heir apparent that might end up at Joliet West bc he's a hooper. Yes, I know it sounds silly, why would a hooper/footballer in district already find their way to Joliet West? Why would anyone wear skinny jeans?

Hey Bones. I think I know who you are referring to. I believe he had 48 points in the IESA 4A championship game. He's also a good QB. If he is basketball first, as I would suspect also, the Brook has a better basketball program than JT West. And they clearly are superior in football. I don't get the interest in JT West. Maybe he wants to play with Jeremiah Fears? No idea.

 

[Cross Bones]

Hey Bones. I think I know who you are referring to. I believe he had 48 points in the IESA 4A championship game. He's also a good QB. If he is basketball first, as I would suspect also, the Brook has a better basketball program than JT West. And they clearly are superior in football. I don't get the interest in JT West. Maybe he wants to play with Jeremiah Fears? No idea.

Far as I understand everything said here is correct.