Will The Multiplier Get Raised After This Year?

[niualum2002]

8 of the 16 teams in the State Finals are Private Schools. They are spread out over 7 different classes and we could have a scenario with 7 private school champions and East St. Louis as the 8th who plays a national schedule. Does this provide the impetus for an IHSA by-law vote to raise the multiplier? A 2.0 multiplier would mean Brother Rice and Mt. Carmel for sure would be in 8A. Fenwick would be on the 8A/7A bubble.

A 2.5 multiplier puts Brother Rice, Mt. Carmel, Fenwick and St. Rita into 8A with Nazareth and St. Francis into 7A. Those schools could probably be competitive in those classes but obviously wouldn't want to be a part of eliminating each other throughout the playoffs.

I'm not weighing in one way or the other, but to me I feel there is going to be an public school response through the IHSA to private schools in football making so many state title games, and I think it will be accelerated after the Lincoln-Way East loss tonight to Loyola.

I feel something will come about in the next year based off of how this years playoff results have played out.

 

[doctor_d]

I think the only thing that should be looked at is the two year cycle enrollment/multiplier/waiver thing.

 

[4Afan]

8 of the 16 teams in the State Finals are Private Schools. They are spread out over 7 different classes and we could have a scenario with 7 private school champions and East St. Louis as the 8th who plays a national schedule. Does this provide the impetus for an IHSA by-law vote to raise the multiplier? A 2.0 multiplier would mean Brother Rice and Mt. Carmel for sure would be in 8A. Fenwick would be on the 8A/7A bubble.

A 2.5 multiplier puts Brother Rice, Mt. Carmel, Fenwick and St. Rita into 8A with Nazareth and St. Francis into 7A. Those schools could probably be competitive in those classes but obviously wouldn't want to be a part of eliminating each other throughout the playoffs.

I'm not weighing in one way or the other, but to me I feel there is going to be an public school response through the IHSA to private schools in football making so many state title games, and I think it will be accelerated after the Lincoln-Way East loss tonight to Loyola.

I feel something will come about in the next year based off of how this years playoff results have played out.

In short, no. There were 5 or 6 privates last year and 7 in 2022 that were in the finals.

 

[niualum2002]

I think the only thing that should be looked at is the two year cycle enrollment/multiplier/waiver thing.

Yeah I don't why that shouldn't be a yearly thing considering they get those numbers on a yearly basis.

 

[colin2229]

8 of the 16 teams in the State Finals are Private Schools. They are spread out over 7 different classes and we could have a scenario with 7 private school champions and East St. Louis as the 8th who plays a national schedule. Does this provide the impetus for an IHSA by-law vote to raise the multiplier? A 2.0 multiplier would mean Brother Rice and Mt. Carmel for sure would be in 8A. Fenwick would be on the 8A/7A bubble.

A 2.5 multiplier puts Brother Rice, Mt. Carmel, Fenwick and St. Rita into 8A with Nazareth and St. Francis into 7A. Those schools could probably be competitive in those classes but obviously wouldn't want to be a part of eliminating each other throughout the playoffs.

I'm not weighing in one way or the other, but to me I feel there is going to be an public school response through the IHSA to private schools in football making so many state title games, and I think it will be accelerated after the Lincoln-Way East loss tonight to Loyola.

I feel something will come about in the next year based off of how this years playoff results have played out.

Doesn’t matter…the good private schools will say “bring it on” and will go unfazed.

 

[Dave Brody]

Where does Loyola go? 9A?

Next.

 

[pjjp]

I think the only thing that should be looked at is the two year cycle enrollment/multiplier/waiver thing.

To your point, the next two year cycle will have both Brother Rice and Marist not multiplied, since neither one has won 3 playoff games in this 2-year cycle.

 

[doctor_d]

To your point, the next two year cycle will have both Brother Rice and Marist not multiplied, since neither one has won 3 playoff games in this 2-year cycle.

SHG and ICCP are in that discussion also

 

[Snetsrak61]

I think the only thing that should be looked at is the two year cycle enrollment/multiplier/waiver thing.

The format, especially the new format definitely creates huge unintended consequences. Like 5A will suddenly open up kind of wide next year... For a St Francis team who could be primed to run through it. You could invision a flip-flop into 25/26 then 27/28 where top teams just take turns being success factored.

 

[mc140]

I think the only thing that should be looked at is the two year cycle enrollment/multiplier/waiver thing.

The IHSA redid the rules to make it easier on Private schools to be successful. I am under the theory this was done to push more schools to want separation.

Multiplier is not the issue. The two year cycle is dumb, using enrollments from 4 years ago for now is dumber, and success factor only counting if it happens exactly during the two year cycle is the dumbest of all.

They also made it harder to get hit with the multiplier. It use to be one playoff win every five years, now it is 3 in the specific two year window for the following window. So even though St. Laurence lost in the title game last year, they are not multiplied for that until the 2025 season.

 

[niualum2002]

Doesn’t matter…the good private schools will say “bring it on” and will go unfazed.

Would they though in a 2.5 multiplier system where potentially almost 25% of the 8A class is Loyola, Mt. Carmel, Brother Rice, Marist, St. Ignatius, St. Rita and Fenwick?

I think that would get some pushback if they were all eliminating each other in the quarters and semis.

 

[colin2229]

To your point, the next two year cycle will have both Brother Rice and Marist not multiplied, since neither one has won 3 playoff games in this 2-year cycle.

Also dropping down….
IC 2a
SHG 3a

Teams moving up that shouldn’t be….
Chicago Christian 4a
Wheaton Acd 5a

 

[Snetsrak61]

To your point, the next two year cycle will have both Brother Rice and Marist not multiplied, since neither one has won 3 playoff games in this 2-year cycle.

So 6A for both? 6A could be a wild class.

 

[colin2229]

Would they though in a 2.5 multiplier system where potentially almost 25% of the 8A class is Loyola, Mt. Carmel, Brother Rice, Marist, St. Ignatius, St. Rita and Fenwick?

I think that would get some pushback if they were all eliminating each other in the quarters and semis.

Private schools don’t ever bitch about the multiplier. They focus on winning.

 

[niualum2002]

Also dropping down….
IC 2a
SHG 3a

Teams moving up that shouldn’t be….
Chicago Christian 4a
Wheaton Acd 5a

Exactly. I don't think the public schools are going to allow IC and SHG to be in 2A and 3A respectively based off of this years playoff results. I see a potentially major upgrade of the multiplier coming and a dare to private schools to leave the IHSA if they don't like it.

 

[godfthr53]

Ihsa did this to themselves by not multiplying all schools and having a waiver.

 

[mc140]

So 6A for both? 6A could be a wild class.

6a South Next year:

ESL
Marist
Rice
Kankakee
St. Laurence
Glenwood
Richards

 

[niualum2002]

Private schools doesn’t ever bitch about the multiplier. They focus on winning.

I think there are thousands of posts on this site from private school fans proving otherwise. Yes nothing from the schools themselves, but it would already be done if private schools and their fans were not absolutly opposed to the multiplier.

 

[JCHillmen]

To your point, the next two year cycle will have both Brother Rice and Marist not multiplied, since neither one has won 3 playoff games in this 2-year cycle.

Where would non multiplied BR and Marist likely wind up? 6A?

If they wouldn't have had this ridiculous 2 year window deal, MC would have been bumped to 8A and Naz bumped to 6A this year.

That doesn't solve every issue public proponents have, but it does eliminate the two biggest outliers. Public schools rightly shaking their heads and asking themselves "going for a 3peat in the same class? I thought we had a success factor for back to back champions." And then everyone realizing that there is a success factor but the IHSA has really screwed up its implementation.

 

[Dave Brody]

6a South Next year:

ESL
Marist
Rice
Kankakee
St. Laurence
Glenwood
Richards

And JCA. They’d finally have some competition in the south bracket.

 

[pjjp]

I would think Rice will be 6A. Not sure about Marist. The 2-year window is too short. Never really understood it.

 

[mc140]

Well with MC going to 8a and ESL choosing to hangout in 6a. I could see some teams opting to be "up" in 7a.

 

[Snetsrak61]

6a South Next year:

ESL
Marist
Rice
Kankakee
St. Laurence
Glenwood
Richards

JCA too.

 

[4Afan]

Well with MC going to 8a and ESL choosing to hangout in 6a. I could see some teams opting to be "up" in 7a.

ESL isn't choosing to hang out in 6A, their conference won't allow them to go above that.

 

[mc140]

ESL isn't choosing to hang out in 6A, their conference won't allow them to go above that.

They could also be in 5a with Naz, JCA and St. Francis.

 

[Snetsrak61]

Well with MC going to 8a and ESL choosing to hangout in 6a. I could see some teams opting to be "up" in 7a.

Not ESLs choice, for the record.

 

[godfthr53]

They could also be in 5a with Naz, JCA and St. Francis.

Naz and jca will be 6a

 

[4Afan]

They could also be in 5a with Naz, JCA and St. Francis.

Then you would be complaining that they keep beating the privates and not petitioning up.

 

[mc140]

Then you would be complaining that they keep beating the privates and not petitioning up.

Please point me to the post where I was mad ESL beat Loyola.

 

[4Afan]

Please point me to the post where I was mad ESL beat Loyola.

exactly, so why would they be worried about Naz, JCA, or St. Francis? No point in discussing them participating in 5A.

 

[Swc1919]

They could also be in 5a with Naz, JCA and St. Francis.

They would probably just lose by 32 instead of 42 it’s not to many spread offenses in Illinois that’s going to beat estl

 

[rjjtwest]

8 of the 16 teams in the State Finals are Private Schools. They are spread out over 7 different classes and we could have a scenario with 7 private school champions and East St. Louis as the 8th who plays a national schedule. Does this provide the impetus for an IHSA by-law vote to raise the multiplier? A 2.0 multiplier would mean Brother Rice and Mt. Carmel for sure would be in 8A. Fenwick would be on the 8A/7A bubble.

A 2.5 multiplier puts Brother Rice, Mt. Carmel, Fenwick and St. Rita into 8A with Nazareth and St. Francis into 7A. Those schools could probably be competitive in those classes but obviously wouldn't want to be a part of eliminating each other throughout the playoffs.

I'm not weighing in one way or the other, but to me I feel there is going to be an public school response through the IHSA to private schools in football making so many state title games, and I think it will be accelerated after the Lincoln-Way East loss tonight to Loyola.

I feel something will come about in the next year based off of how this years playoff results have played out.

Quit whining son!

 

[4Afan]

Quit whining son!

says the public school child

 

[Kevin JCHS 81]

6a South Next year:

ESL
Marist
Rice
Kankakee
St. Laurence
Glenwood
Richards

6a Next year:

ESL
Naz
JCA
Marist
Rice
Kankakee
St. Laurence
Glenwood
Richards
And more...

 

[rjjtwest]

says the public school child

You got me there! Ahhhh shots fired…

 

[mc140]

6a South Next year:

ESL
Naz
JCA
Marist
Rice
Kankakee
St. Laurence
Glenwood
Richards

Naz will be north

 

[Dave Brody]

Naz and jca will be 6a

Side note…I like how SF is thrown into the mix of teams with success when the only championship they have was 5A in 2008

 

[rjjtwest]

Side note…I like how SF is thrown into the mix of teams with success when the only championship they have was 5A in 2008

Do your homework better then you’ll understand!

 

[Kevin JCHS 81]

Naz will be north

Yep I was asleep at the wheel and started to make an overall 6A list.

 

[MC63]

ESL isn't choosing to hang out in 6A, their conference won't allow them to go above that.

The tail is wagging the dog.