Week 0 Scrimmage
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Is there some sort of coaching connection? Otherwise seems like an odd choice given the distance and enrollment size difference.
Yes Mike Burzawa at Evanston was an assistant for Tim Racki at Driscoll
All.... I have two for the CS8. Both at home for the Raiders and Cyclones on 8-23 with game time of 6pm. Ratsy
Quincy Notre Dame v Decatur St. Teresa
Sacred Heart-Griffin v East St. Louis
Quincy Notre Dame v Decatur St. Teresa
Sacred Heart-Griffin v East St. Louis
All.... Fwiw the details according to proposal 17. Ratsy
Football District Proposal Fails: IHSA Membership Pass 12 Other Proposals
Illinois High School Association (IHSA) member schools approved 12 of 14 amendment proposals that appeared on the all-school ballot during the annual by-law referendum process that ended on December 19, 2023. Full text of the initial 23 proposals, including the 14 that advanced to the all-school...
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Proposal 17 (Passes 410-232-85): Creates the opportunity for football teams to conduct a pre-season scrimmage with another school. Specific scrimmage limitations include the following: Use of IHSA Officials, 4 separate 12 play segments, no special teams, 48 total play limits per player, no live contact or thud in practice the day before or after the scrimmage. Scrimmage to be held on Friday or Saturday of IHSA Week 7. Players are eligible to participate in the scrimmage after participating in 8 different days of practice.
I have read this several times and I'm not sure if it's just me being groggy or the actual wording, but that seems to create as many questions as it answers. I guess we'll see.
Yea if there is not more explicit direction in writing, it will essentially be "do whatever you want."
I would assume there will be more specific, written expectations coming in June or July. Or perhaps not and they will let the competing schools just do what they want within the very limited guidelines of 12 play drives, 48 plays max, etc.
I like that it's open to interpretation. The coaches involved can discuss how they want things to happen and that can change from scrimmage to scrimmage.
For example, two teams could play it straight forward and each have the ball for a total of 24 plays utilizing their two 12 play drives. Two separate teams could discuss what they want to work on and decide they want break the 48 plays into six, 8 play drives instead.
MSFB has agreed to travel South right before LWE, but not sure if public yet... MS4Ever can comment when its official, but new and something to think about (especially afterwards IMO given potential injuries, etc.)
All.... Well it's on their Hudl schedule. An 80 mile road trip. Game time set for 5:45. Ratsy
Sorry for confusing anyone Ratsy. LWE vs MS is 8/30, but right before or 8/23 we play KANKAKEE HIGH SCHOOL KAYS at 5:45 PM in Kankakee.
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If JC is going to schedule a scrimmage, they should probably schedule a blue blood like that to get ready for their doozy of a schedule. As long as they come out of it healthy, they will need the scrimmage against a legit opponent to help them get battle tested for the rough road.
Iowa City
@ Oswego
Fenwick
Marist
@ Naz
@ ND
@MC
DLS
@PC
That's 2-4 games they will likely be favored in. Iowa City and DLS for sure. Fenwick and ND could be good games, but entering the preseason JC may be favored. Then the other 5 games they will be anywhere from a substantial underdog (MC, Naz) to a pick em at best (PC, Marist, Oswego).
The Oswego game should tell a lot. A fairly convincing victory there and you feel good about hitting 5 plus wins and making a run. Lose to Oswego and it will be scratching and clawing to get to 5 wins, forcing them to need a win against either Marist or PC, both of which should be dog fights.
Really don't like a marquee rivalry game in week 9, especially when they will likely be in the same class if they both qualify and could very well end up playing again in weeks 10, 11, or 12.
All.... In 2023 when the postseason teams were announced NLP ended up as the largest class 5A qualifier in that group of 32. Impossible of course to tell at this time but historical past numbers suggest the Celtics will once again be a "bubble" team right on the cut line and could go 6A .
I recall fom 2023 in week nine an unusual high number of schools didn't hold serve so to speak which played an important factor in NLP going 5A. 2024 will be the second year of the two Ihsa enrollment cycle for all schools. 2025 will bring out new numbers. Not sure how accurate this is but found a list that shows current student enrollment up for the Celtics now at 836 from the current cycle of 785.5. It appears in the near future they will be back in 6A. Ratsy
I recall fom 2023 in week nine an unusual high number of schools didn't hold serve so to speak which played an important factor in NLP going 5A. 2024 will be the second year of the two Ihsa enrollment cycle for all schools. 2025 will bring out new numbers. Not sure how accurate this is but found a list that shows current student enrollment up for the Celtics now at 836 from the current cycle of 785.5. It appears in the near future they will be back in 6A. Ratsy
i'm told sterling hs will scrimmage sterling newman in week 0. it makes sense considering newman head coach mike lemay was a longtime assistant with jon schlemmer at sterling hs and they are good friends.
Oswego in week 2. Interesting rematch from round 1 of the 1989 playoffs.
Being one of the bigger rule changes this year I'm surprised this hasn't had more of discussion. Any thoughts on how these scrimmages will play out? I got curious again after catching some college spring games over the weekend.
Do people think it will be played out straightforward like the rule states where each team will run their two 12 play drives each and be done? Will QBs be open to being hit? Will there be much hitting period?
It seems like many of these are scheduled are between teams where the coaches know each other or have some connection so I think there will be communication in advance as to how the scrimmage will play out. Maybe with each team's last 4 plays they work on goal to go situations or maybe they choose to play it as close to an actual game environment as possible.
@EdgyTim or anyone else in the know, thoughts?
Do people think it will be played out straightforward like the rule states where each team will run their two 12 play drives each and be done? Will QBs be open to being hit? Will there be much hitting period?
It seems like many of these are scheduled are between teams where the coaches know each other or have some connection so I think there will be communication in advance as to how the scrimmage will play out. Maybe with each team's last 4 plays they work on goal to go situations or maybe they choose to play it as close to an actual game environment as possible.
@EdgyTim or anyone else in the know, thoughts?
They will be heavily scripted. It is also first year so teams will figure out what works and what doesn't
It's been a very strange response so far....some schools are all in but the large majority have taken a very measured response......in most cases schools are having practices with other schools instead. It comes down to finding the "right" opponent
I think that is overblown at this point. Teams are scrimmaging all over all summer. Difference is the week 0 will have refs.
I think that Week 0 Cannot be a dick-measuring contest. A contender should play a middle of the road squad. Studs get new bodies to practice against. The also-rans get to see what the upper crust lives like. Studs get Twos some in game practice, which helps the Ones from the turd team.
Interesting. Are you hearing why schools are so measured and cautious? Are they worried about exposing too much of the playbook against a certain team? Injuries?
I get that it's new and no one has anything to measure it against, but I think that this is a great thing and that it can really help a lot of teams get ready for the season.
See, I think we are looking at this from opposite perspectives. I see this trending more towards a casual scrimmage versus being game level intensity.
Even if an upper level team goes against a lesser opponent I don't think it will matter. I think both teams will work on what they want to work on and look at different players at different positions. I don't see the Week 0 scrimmages being used as a measuring stick in any way.
In my eyes I'm picturing these eventually, maybe not year 1, being played similar to an NFL dual practice. They have refs and hit, but it's very loosely structured and teams discussing what they want to work on how they want the flow of the scrimmage to go.
I see them as a way to improve against someone else going into the season versus being viewed as a truly competitive environment.
Injuries. Having the scrimmage in actual week 0 makes the risk outweigh the reward significantly. Schedule your scrimmages for June or July
Players get hurt in their own scrimmages now. Players get hurt when you start full contact. Players will get hurt week one.
I don't think that's it. Injuries could happen on a Tuesday practice. I don't think the week 0 scrimmage increases the risk of injury over any other time.
