Soucie breaks down who's moving where next year success/multiplier

[sporthog9er]

At the end of the article for those that care

What we learned in Week 13: Private schools dominant in semifinal round

The CCL/ESCC and private schools in general turned in an impressive performance in the semifinal round of the IHSA playoffs. Steve Soucie takes a look at what happened in the semifinal round of the playoffs.

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[doctor_d]

I believe IC will also move into 2A, but I didn’t see them listed.

 

[flyerforlife]

6A with the addition of JC , Naz and Marist should be thought along with ESL, CG and Geneva just to name a few, Just might be better than 8 A

 

[LHSTigers94]

6A with the addition of JC , Naz and Marist should be thought along with ESL, CG and Geneva just to name a few, Just might be better than 8 A

St. Iggy and St L as well. The question will be who get's bumped to 5A and will those teams be in the North or South. I like it.

 

[ssi84]

Is there a limit of how many classes you can petition up? I can't imagine that Rice or Marist wouldn't petition up from 5A and 6A respectively.

 

[ChicagoRambler]

6A with the addition of JC , Naz and Marist should be thought along with ESL, CG and Geneva just to name a few, Just might be better than 8 A

I would be surprised if none of the 6A CCL teams petition up to 7A. CCL likes to spread the wealth around classes.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

I would be surprised if none of the 6A CCL teams petition up to 7A. CCL likes to spread the wealth around classes.

I would be shocked if BR and Marist didn't petition up, others more tuned in might have more info.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

the one thing we know is there will be new 5A participants in the 5A championship game for first time in two years in 2025.

 

[pjjp]

I would be shocked if BR and Marist didn't petition up, others more tuned in might have more info.

From a practical standpoint (not saying those schools will think like this), but 7A will be more attractive with MC up in 8A the next few years.

 

[BornNRazed]

Marist and BR in 6A makes no sense.

 

[doctor_d]

Marist and BR in 6A makes no sense.

Soucie has BR in 5A.

SIx of those schools will lose the multiplier during the next two year period: Brother Rice (by using this year’s qualifier data it drops Brother Rice from 7A to 5A), Marist (8A to 6A), St. Ignatius (8A to 6A), Decatur St. Teresa (2A to 1A) and Fenwick (7A to 5A)

 

[mc140]

Rice should stay in 5a. They have a chance to actually win a title in that class.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

Rice should stay in 5a. They have a chance to actually win a title in that class.

BR v Wheaton SF final

 

[mc140]

- I think what will happen with the Southside CCL schools is they will go 7a over 6a if that is the option. No MC in 7a is a better choice than running into ESL in the South bracket of 6A.

 

[HSFootballfan_007]

This is why the debate rages on, private schools compete against high level teams in the regular season and then are wallowed to be success factored down. They do this to help them win championships, no publics are allowed to play down when they don't win

Rice in 5A is a joke - They beat Loyola this year
Marist in 6A is joke - They played Loyola closer than LWE
Fenwick in 5A is a joke - Who probably should have beat 7A DGN in the 2nd round

 

[EstablishTheRun59]

Rice in 5a would be embarrassing

 

[DeanOfSelection]

- I think what will happen with the Southside CCL schools is they will go 7a over 6a if that is the option. No MC in 7a is a better choice than running into ESL in the South bracket of 6A.

hence why Rita was a step ahead of the curve to petition up to 7A, No Flyer in 6A and MC was certain to be bumped to 8A.

 

[mc140]

Rice in 5a would be embarrassing

No one would care at Rice. Just like no one cared when a powerhouse JCA baseball program got to push around Coal City and Wilmington in 2a baseball on their way to a couple of titles recently.

 

[mc140]

hence why Rita was a step ahead of the curve to petition up to 7A, No Flyer in 6A and MC was certain to be bumped to 8A.

Yeah I thought it was funny when it was declared 7a is where they belong but had no problem playing in 5a a few years ago.

 

[JCHillmen]

No one would care at Rice. Just like no one cared when a powerhouse JCA baseball program got to push around Coal City and Wilmington in 2a baseball on their way to a couple of titles recently.

Let's recall that St. Rita was in 5A and got curb stomped by Rochester several years back.

Were BR to fall to 5A, they would not even be the prohibitive favorite. SF and a PC who has some solid lower levels would likely be more favored to win 5A. Programs like Prairie Ridge and Sycamore also very capable of playing with a program like Rice.

I can definitely see them petitioning up to 7A especially since that class seems weaker than any of the other top 4 classes, but it really doesn't seem necessary until they prove that they are head and shoudlers beyond the rest of 5A.

 

[Jenny27]

This is why the debate rages on, private schools compete against high level teams in the regular season and then are wallowed to be success factored down. They do this to help them win championships, no publics are allowed to play down when they don't win

Rice in 5A is a joke - They beat Loyola this year
Marist in 6A is joke - They played Loyola closer than LWE
Fenwick in 5A is a joke - Who probably should have beat 7A DGN in the 2nd round

Rice didn’t beat Loyola.

 

[USD24]

This is why the debate rages on, private schools compete against high level teams in the regular season and then are wallowed to be success factored down. They do this to help them win championships, no publics are allowed to play down when they don't win

Rice in 5A is a joke - They beat Loyola this year
Marist in 6A is joke - They played Loyola closer than LWE
Fenwick in 5A is a joke - Who probably should have beat 7A DGN in the 2nd round

Both Marist and Fenwick lost to a 5A school this year.

 

[skinsfootball]

Both Marist and Fenwick lost to a 5A school this year.

JCA? Anyone who really believes JCA is a 5A school and belongs in the 5A playoffs should probably get their head checked. The sad part is the majority of that fan base seems to think it's not a problem to sit in the lower classes and pick off public schools (in multiple sports). Low hanging fruit for them.

 

[McCaravan]

JCA? Anyone who really believes JCA is a 5A school and belongs in the 5A playoffs should probably get their head checked. The sad part is the majority of that fan base seems to think it's not a problem to sit in the lower classes and pick off public schools (in multiple sports). Low hanging fruit for them.

By their enrollment they are probably solid 4A or even 3A right?

 

[McCaravan]

With Marist enrollment they should be 7A right? They have to have as many as Loyola

 

[SiuCubFan8]

By their enrollment they are probably solid 4A or even 3A right?

I think right around 610.

 

[Irish LB]

This is why the debate rages on, private schools compete against high level teams in the regular season and then are wallowed to be success factored down. They do this to help them win championships, no publics are allowed to play down when they don't win

Rice in 5A is a joke - They beat Loyola this year
Marist in 6A is joke - They played Loyola closer than LWE
Fenwick in 5A is a joke - Who probably should have beat 7A DGN in the 2nd round

Just a reminder Catholic schools didn’t change the multiplier to include this waiver. Probably 95% never complained about the multiplier at all.

 

[EstablishTheRun59]

No one would care at Rice. Just like no one cared when a powerhouse JCA baseball program got to push around Coal City and Wilmington in 2a baseball on their way to a couple of titles recently.

Exactly

 

[EstablishTheRun59]

With Marist enrollment they should be 7A right? They have to have as many as Loyola

I was thinking the same thing

 

[JCHillmen]

Was the Morris-SHG game last year a game that shouldn't have been played because SHG isn't a real 5A school either? What separates SHG from JCA? There are years where SHG is better and years where JC is better (though, luckily, all the years they have played on the field have been years JC has been better).

Was JC head and shoulders better than the rest of 5A south this year and last? Sure. That wasn't true in 2022 when we lost in 4A round 2 to PC or in 2019 when we lost to Mascoutah in the quarters of 5A south.

In recent years in baseball, JC lost to Coal City in a 2A sectional and to Morris in 3A.

Do I understand that reasonable people can think they belong in a higher class? Sure. Have they been a dominant championship team in 5A over the last decade? With only one title to show for it in 2018, I think that's a clear no.

They did win 2A baseball twice in a row recently and are success factored to 3A where they likely belong, at least for now.

 

[JCHillmen]

Was the Morris-SHG game last year a game that shouldn't have been played because SHG isn't a real 5A school either? What separates SHG from JCA? There are years where SHG is better and years where JC is better (though, luckily, all the years they have played on the field have been years JC has been better).

Was JC head and shoulders better than the rest of 5A south this year and last? Sure. That wasn't true in 2022 when we lost in 4A round 2 to PC or in 2019 when we lost to Mascoutah in the quarters of 5A south.

In recent years in baseball, JC lost to Coach City in a 2A sectional and to Morris in 3A.

Do I understand that reasonable people can think they belong in a higher class? Sure. Have they been a dominant championship team in 5A over the last decade? With only one title to show for it in 2018, I think that's a clear no.

They did win 2A baseball twice in a row recently and are success factored to 3A where they likely belong, at least for now. They were defeated in 3A by Morris. The obvious question then becomes where do they belong? Is 3A appropriate? What if they had played a better game against Morris and went on to win another state title? Then there is no doubt there would be a chorus of "They belong in 4A and only 4A."

Until they win a state title at the current level, all arguments about them belonging elsewhere seem kind of unnecessary.

 

[HSFootballfan_007]

Naz does the same thing, they finally had to play the big boys last year in baseball and everyone saw what happened.

 

[Irish LB]

Naz does the same thing, they finally had to play the big boys last year in baseball and everyone saw what happened.

Looks who's back. Naz has never been below the class they're supposed to be in.

 

[sporthog9er]

Naz does the same thing, they finally had to play the big boys last year in baseball and everyone saw what happened.

Is that really a shot at a team that went like 34-1 and made it to sweet 16 in 4A baseball?

 

[Snetsrak61]

I was thinking the same thing

Multiplied enrollment = 2,662
True enrollment = 1,613

That puts them between Richards and Normal West in this year's classification. Seems pretty safe 6A.

 

[HSFootballfan_007]

Someone mentioned JCA baseball in 2A & it’s the same exact thing.

 

[ramblinman]

JCA? Anyone who really believes JCA is a 5A school and belongs in the 5A playoffs should probably get their head checked. The sad part is the majority of that fan base seems to think it's not a problem to sit in the lower classes and pick off public schools (in multiple sports). Low hanging fruit for them.

Keep in mind that JCA is already MULTIPLIED into 5A. Were it not for the multiplier, they are a 4A sized school by actual enrollment.

Was JCA in the wrong class not too long ago when they lost in the 5A quarters to Mascoutah? Was public school Mascoutah "low hanging fruit for them" then? It's crickets from you folks when JCA loses, but let the whining begin when they win.

 

[colin2229]

BR v Wheaton SF final

SF has some work to do.

 

[ramblinman]

Is that really a shot at a team that went like 34-1 and made it to sweet 16 in 4A baseball?

37-1 and lost to MC in round one of the 4A sweet 16.

 

[colin2229]

Wonder what Antioch is thinking right about now. We moved up to 6a and for the 2025 season 6A north is going to be LOADED with private schools.