Andrew is in 2nd place in the SWSC
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Bones,
Which system do you consider broken with your statement?
- The scheduling system for all IHSA schools?
- The Playoff Ranking system which will base Andrews position on it's final
6 - 3 record?
- The Playoff Points system which will base Andrews ranking within the
6 - 3 teams based on opponents victories and not looking at
actual strength of schedule?
- The person in charge of the conference scheduling only
Everyone who follows the SWSC knows Andrew is not a top team but:
- they have only played one actual top team (LWE) and lost 42 - 2
- They LOST to an OK Thornton team but were given the win due to
Thornton playing an illegal player
- Lockport usually has a solid program but do not this year
- Bradley usually has a solid program but do not this year
- They scheduled Bloom which always has athletes but plays very
undisciplined football so you never know what you will get in that game
- They beat Thornridge (improving program but still BAD!)
They will beat a horrible Thornwood team to go 6 - 1 (so they may still be in 2nd after week 7!) and then lose to H-F and LWW for the final 6 - 3 record. (They missed The Brook and LWC)
Stagg and Thornton both have inflated records. Sandburg will not make the playoffs but has played the hardest schedule in the conference. The top of the SWSC is good. The bottom is terrible. With the exception of LWW there is really no middle tier of teams.
All will be corrected come playoff time. Andrew will lose round 1. Then next year we can complain about another team in the same situation!
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Correction to post above: Andrew plays HF in Week 8, not "missing them" as stated. Only 2 other schools aside from Andrew in the league will have played BOTH of HF and LWE.
LOL guys went way too in depth on this one. Any system that has Andrew in 2nd place is broken. It may just be the era I grew up in, I don't know.
While I agree with most of your points, I would not say Lockport usually has a good program. They are mediocre at best. After missing playoffs this year, they will have qualified one time in last six years
Any system that rewards conference mediocrity and cupcake scheduling to make playoffs is flawed.
I am sick of South Suburban Conf., Catholic League Red/White, Southwest Prarie, etc getting teams into the playoffs, while good CCL Blue and SWSC teams(in past years) get left out of playoffs.
I am sick of South Suburban Conf., Catholic League Red/White, Southwest Prarie, etc getting teams into the playoffs, while good CCL Blue and SWSC teams(in past years) get left out of playoffs.
Stagg probably gonna miss out unless they get to six wins.
Those "good" CCL Blue and SWSC schools are typically 7A/8A schools with bigger numbers and different kids then those other schools. They should "work harder" and schedule better to get in compared to the teams they will compete against in the playoffs.
To "bad frog68" point above about Sandburg strength-of-schedule, consider the overall record of their 9 opponents now stands at 43-11 with no single team below 4-2. Additionally, they will have played LWE, HF, LWC, 'Brook and LWW in conference by season's end.
And up the street Andrew gets what they have. We haven't played Andrew since the conference formed, but have played everyone else except LWW. We even played LWN. I implore the SWSC to let Andrew get what's coming to them.
The same SW Prairie that sent a team to the 7A finals last year?
If Joliet had been in the SWS Red they would not have gone all those years without winning.
Correction. If Joliet had a decent team they wouldn't have gone all those years without a win.
And if Lockport had been in the CCL Blue the last 8 years how many wins would they have had?
Definitely would have been more competitive with the likes of T Ridge and T Wood. The conference dropped the ball on that and now look.
It's hard to build when you're getting demolished every time out.
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we basically skirt around this issue every year.
the only way to get around this. is to go to tier system.
the good programs will rise to the top and the not so good programs will play teams just as mediocre and determine which is the best of the nonbest.
the only way to get around this. is to go to tier system.
the good programs will rise to the top and the not so good programs will play teams just as mediocre and determine which is the best of the nonbest.
This was a thread for people to come in and drink Haterade and hate on Andrew because why not. Not to discuss the merits and faults of any actual system. The only premise is that if Andrew is in 2nd place the system is broken.
I know LWC used to have a rivalry with Andrew, come on in and hate. District foes, Sandburg and Stagg, come in and hate.
I know LWC used to have a rivalry with Andrew, come on in and hate. District foes, Sandburg and Stagg, come in and hate.
You make a good point Cross Bones. It is very hard to build something when you get smoked every week. In reality it was better for JTC to move and get a win or two. Maybe it brings something positive into the program and more guys go out for the team.
Which is why T-Ridge and T-Wood should go to the Southland Conference
Andrew and Stagg should go to the South Suburban
Lemont and Crete (and maybe Richards) come to the SWSC
Makes sense geographically (Bradley always being the outlier) and from a competitive sports point of view as well (not just football)
Two SWSC Divisions:
HF
Crete
Richards
Thornton
Sandburg
Bradley
Lemont
Bolingbrook
Lockport
LWE
LWC
LWW
Lemont would laugh this out of the room. No way they join lol
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Nice MC... They may have to one day. But don't throw stones, there may be a few CCL schools that are on the brink...
May?? There will be more high schools closed in a matter of a few years. The arch diocese is likely cutting another 4 to 5 grammar schools this year.
George Egofske had it right with the SICA Conferences. Movement within conferences made complete sense in the SICA day. Lawyers control any opportunities to change the current South Suburban alignment...which has become a joke for athletes and students alike. Social economic changes abound.
Post of the year! George would be ashamed of the current alignment in the South Suburbs.
Lawyers and press have hold more weight......
Heaven forbid the ADs knew what they are talking when trying to create alignment!
George is STILL living!
Problem is who really would want THE BROOK, HF, LWE all to come into their conference to get beaten in football and basketball (for the Brook).
Joliets ran away, Dist 230 wants to leave, Thornton, TWood, TRidge get beat in most sports, and Bradley probably wants out too.
look at the DVC...they play each other twice in football a season.
Problem is who really would want THE BROOK, HF, LWE all to come into their conference to get beaten in football and basketball (for the Brook).
Joliets ran away, Dist 230 wants to leave, Thornton, TWood, TRidge get beat in most sports, and Bradley probably wants out too.
look at the DVC...they play each other twice in football a season.
Move the Brook, HF and LWE to the DVC and you have one serious conference there. NC, WV, NN, MV, LWE, HF and BB. No more easy weeks for anyone assuming MV improves next year which they should with their numbers.
Usually Bones sends his hatred towards Bradley but The Brook got a bad Bradley team at home this year and pounded them so he had to switch his hate in the SWSC elsewhere.
Andrew 5 -1 has a soft schedule without The Brook on it so easy target....
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We share a border with NC and NV so those trips wouldn't be much farther. The only thing I would miss are the LWE and H-F games. Also, every game would probably be like playing in Orland as far as officiating goes.
Oh and good teams would miss the post season.
