Put SHG and Naz in Stevenson's spot in 8A. How far do you have each going?
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Interesting. I think both teams would first struggle with Loyola. I think SHG would not make there, but Naz would stand an even chance or better. Next real challenges would be GW and you can guess how I feel about that. Last year's Naz team would be very competitive but maybe not so much SHG. But they are still very good.Put SHG and Naz in Stevenson's spot in 8A. How far do you have each going?
I think the slop field would have played into Naz favor with the O Line they had. I think all 3 would have been good games but HF would have given them the toughest matchup of the 4 teams mentioned. I still only think of the champions that Provi would have given Naz the biggest problems. The Naz defense was much better than given credit. Don't forget that Naz starters sat out a total of 18 of 56 quarters this year and was done by half in every playoff game until Champaign. They did look very sluggish in the first half against Lemont but I think having 12-15 kids in the hospital as late as Friday night had something to do with it.I guess would SHG/Naz in 8A in 3 out of 4 weeks beat LA, @GW on that slop field , H-F on the turf?
still its "Lemont"-best team Naz played all year was a JC team who was good but not a top JC team-won 24-21 on a blocked fg
Who did CG beat that makes them 16 pts better than Naz in your eyes? Or are you basing that solely off their close loss to Providence?Stevenson winning at 8A finalist HF- beating them twice- and at 12-0 GW is good enough for me. Those are signature wins.
But they didn't actually beat anyone did they?going off their 31-28 loss to what majority of posters think was the best team last year. A team Cary ran for 300 yards on, had more first downs v 22-19 and 9 mins more TOP on.
Typical blah blah about Cary Grove - yet all they do is win. I guess since they aren't playing in a glamorous conference they don't get the board love but DOS put it best - running for over 300 yards and an underclassman doing most of the damage against against a PC team that defensively looked unbeatable makes me a believer. Who cares who they beat along the way. Who exactly did Naz or SHG beat along the way in the playoffs?
Cary best win was probly beating 9-1 Geneva badly. And losing to PC's best team since either 01 or 96 like that so impressive.But they didn't actually beat anyone did they?
This is the same group that is saying two private 5a or 6a schools can beat 8a schools (state champ?)more often than not ("in 3 out of 4 weeks")complaining that they shouldn't be moved up a class due to enrollment? What am I missing here?
Put SHG and Naz in Stevenson's spot in 8A. How far do you have each going?
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5A and 6A schools do not have the DEPTH (ie enrollment levels) to make a run through the 7A & 8A playoff brackets to win 5 straight playoff games in a row. So I don't really like this question.
Yes, If there were a final 4 with SHG, Stevenson, Provi and Naz I do believe SHG and Naz can win 2 games in a row against great 7A and 8A schools but they don't have the DEPTH to win 5 straight games playing in the 7A or 8A brackets.
Wassup
Yes, it is true most 5A/6A would have depth issues going against larger schools. But it is a lazy argument for this case. SHG depth wouldn't be their first concern, it would be their starters. For Naz it wouldn't be too big of a concern at all.
When you have over 10 players getting D1 looks and your 4th option on offense is a 6'3 wide receiver who got a full ride to D1 program. And your best running back was out with an injury until the playoffs and you still go 9-0 and win the escc. Can you really say this team lacks depth?
Lets say naz loses 2 lineman, they still would have 2 D1 players on that oline.
They could lose #1, #2 and they would still have Julian Love running the ball with a D1 wide out. So I dont see were "the lack of depth" argument comes into place. Didnt naz use 2 QBs' as well?
Match up wise LA had everything SHG had and more. LA was a more athletic team. Looking back at the tape I dont see any match ups on the field that would favorite SHG. SHG would have to play their best, have a couple balls bounce their way, and for LA to have an off day to see SHG winning.
But a specific question for Dean, based on your predictions, you are very skeptical of naz, Im just wondering how you came to that conclusion? Is their something in the film I am not seeing? Ive re-watched all these teams and stand by my predictions. Maybe the move from the south side to the western burbs has put me at biased for the team that plays close to my backyard.
Yes, it is true most 5A/6A would have depth issues going against larger schools. But it is a lazy argument for this case. SHG depth wouldn't be their first concern, it would be their starters. For Naz it wouldn't be too big of a concern at all.
When you have over 10 players getting D1 looks and your 4th option on offense is a 6'3 wide receiver who got a full ride to D1 program. And your best running back was out with an injury until the playoffs and you still go 9-0 and win the escc. Can you really say this team lacks depth?
Lets say naz loses 2 lineman, they still would have 2 D1 players on that oline.
They could lose #1, #2 and they would still have Julian Love running the ball with a D1 wide out. So I dont see were "the lack of depth" argument comes into place. Didnt naz use 2 QBs' as well?
Match up wise LA had everything SHG had and more. LA was a more athletic team. Looking back at the tape I dont see any match ups on the field that would favorite SHG. SHG would have to play their best, have a couple balls bounce their way, and for LA to have an off day to see SHG winning.
But a specific question for Dean, based on your predictions, you are very skeptical of naz, Im just wondering how you came to that conclusion? Is their something in the film I am not seeing? Ive re-watched all these teams and stand by my predictions. Maybe the move from the south side to the western burbs has put me at biased for the team that plays close to my backyard.
IMO, while the depth issue is true 90% of the time, maybe more, it is not always the case - and i do not think it would have been the case for either Naz or SHG. I just think neither would have won.
let's be honest here: cary was the smallest 7a school and PC was the 3rd smallest 7a school. One cannot allege with a straight face that a 6a school could not win the 7a or 8a title by way of a tournament given those facts. Cary and PC were basically 6a schools.
I still think it would have been a problem for SHG last year, as they were thin in some areas of the field with their starters. Great team, no doubt, but definitely 5A or 6A, not competitive in 7A or 8A.
not competitive or could not win the title?
Because 90% of the teams in the 7a and 8a bracket had no chance of winning the 7a or 8a title. If SHG or Naz got a decent draw, they are playing week 3 in the playoffs - That's a shot.
St Francis also beat them down worse, so what?We can look to Montini last year when they played Maine S, East St L then Rita week 3. bigger schools...by time they got to Rita -a 1-3 Blue team-u had Montini a 5A finalist get manhandled 21-0.
We can look to Montini last year when they played Maine S, East St L then Rita week 3. bigger schools...by time they got to Rita -a 1-3 Blue team-u had Montini a 5A finalist get manhandled 21-0.
A shot yes, but unlikely semi slot for SHG, based on what I saw over 3 games.
Naz, yes, semi's likely. Title? Not so much likely, IMO.
I can agree with that.
Did you find the SHG team two years ago much better than last season's?
this is why I absolutely love the success factor. can watch it play out especially Montini in 7A in 2016.
Fortunately that class, as seniors, will be pretty good. Will need to be to compete at that level, but I'm all for it.
Maybe youre looking at it backwards?...and that is exactly the problem. Say that would not be a good montini class. then all you are getting is a watered down bracket because of some weird formula...
Again, why are we bumping up a team in the future that we know nothing about because a team three years ago was good? maybe if all the players came back for a sixth year or something...
Fortunately that class, as seniors, will be pretty good. Will need to be to compete at that level, but I'm all for it.
True, Montini's class of 2017 is loaded but to be competitive in class 7A they are going to have to land more big linemen into the school.
Maybe youre looking at it backwards?
Maybe this year's team is simply a bad 7A team and should get clocked...