Wartburg College football roster

[Golden Warrior]

I'm always interested in looking at the total number of players that make up various D3 football rosters. I don't think I've ever seen a school with more players on the roster than what Wartburg has this year. I count a total of 180 players. Has anyone seen anything like that?

 

[prince_of_pilfer]

That's absurd. My question is how many are FR? From those FR, how many will return next year? Schools put pressure on the coaches to have a JV team in order to up the enrollment and bring more money to the school.

Dive deeper and look at last year's roster to find those statistics.

 

[epicbret]

Central and Wartburg both always carried massive rosters in the past too.

 

[colin2229]

Wartburg is a tremendous program and a blue print of what a well run Division 3 program should look like. The below numbers are EXTREMELY healthy.

Bad D3 programs bring in 70 freshman and by the time they are seniors only a a handful remain. To keep half is amazing and the numbers appear to be improving as well.


Freshman 59

Sophomore 56

Junior 32

Senior 28

5th Year 15


* They are probably having a varsity practice and a freshman only practice.

 

[JCHillmen]

Big time FBS programs have football to generate media revenue.

FCS and D2 are in kind of a middle range where they are probably desperately trying to break even financially or at least not be too far in the red.

D3 programs have football programs to spur enrollment. Helping get several dozen freshmen enrolled and paying partial or full tuition is a huge boost toward enrollment stability for smaller colleges. A lot of them do decent jobs offering JV games or opportunities too because they want to keep those 30-70 freshmen feeling like they are a contributing member and they want them coming back that next year to help the school's bottom line.

 

[ramblinman]

Wartburg is a tremendous program and a blue print of what a well run Division 3 program should look like. The below numbers are EXTREMELY healthy.

Bad D3 programs bring in 70 freshman and by the time they are seniors only a a handful remain. To keep half is amazing and the numbers appear to be improving as well.


Freshman 59

Sophomore 56

Junior 32

Senior 28

5th Year 15


* They are probably having a varsity practice and a freshman only practice.

Healthy from a program standpoint, for sure, but I have to wonder about the economics of this.

What must their coaching staff be like in terms of numbers?

Does it make economic sense considering...

• Only a HANDFUL of kids who enroll in Wartburg or any private liberal arts college pay the sticker price.
• Coaches, trainers, and other football related athletic department staff and infrastructure all must be paid.
• The cost of equipment, travel, etc. for a squad that size.
• No TV revenue sharing.
• Wartburg isn't a large school with athletic revenue and expense budgets in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Healthy from a program standpoint, for sure, but I have to wonder about the economics of this.

What must their coaching staff be like in terms of numbers?

Does it make economic sense considering...

• Only a HANDFUL of kids who enroll in Wartburg or any private liberal arts college pay the sticker price.
• Coaches, trainers, and other football related athletic department staff and infrastructure all must be paid.
• The cost of equipment, travel, etc. for a squad that size.
• No TV revenue sharing.
• Wartburg isn't a large school with athletic revenue and expense budgets in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

I assume not all those kids travel or even dress for homes games...maybe I am wrong but I doubt they all travel.

 

[ramblinman]

Big time FBS programs have football to generate media revenue.

FCS and D2 are in kind of a middle range where they are probably desperately trying to break even financially or at least not be too far in the red.

D3 programs have football programs to spur enrollment. Helping get several dozen freshmen enrolled and paying partial or full tuition is a huge boost toward enrollment stability for smaller colleges. A lot of them do decent jobs offering JV games or opportunities too because they want to keep those 30-70 freshmen feeling like they are a contributing member and they want them coming back that next year to help the school's bottom line.

Yes, I understand the enrollment spurring thing. But, those 180 players all come with COSTS -- academic costs, which apply to all students, and athletic costs, which apply to athletes only.

I'm a little leery of colleges that boast of huge percentages of the student body involved in athletics. Take Quincy University here in Illinois, for example. Almost 50% of their student body plays at least one sport. Is that healthy? As a sports fan, I'd say yes as a knee jerk response. The more I think of it objectively, however, what does that do in a school of about 1000 students? What kind of social dynamic is there between athletes and non-athletes? Is it really a sustainable model financially?

 

[USD24]

Yes, I understand the enrollment spurring thing. But, those 180 players all come with COSTS -- academic costs, which apply to all students, and athletic costs, which apply to athletes only.

I'm a little leery of colleges that boast of huge percentages of the student body involved in athletics. Take Quincy University here in Illinois, for example. Almost 50% of their student body plays at least one sport. Is that healthy? As a sports fan, I'd say yes as a knee jerk response. The more I think of it objectively, however, what does that do in a school of about 1000 students? What kind of social dynamic is there between athletes and non-athletes? Is it really a sustainable model financially?

The school has been around for 160 years. I'd say it's pretty sustainable.😜

 

[colin2229]

Healthy from a program standpoint, for sure, but I have to wonder about the economics of this.

What must their coaching staff be like in terms of numbers?

Does it make economic sense considering...

• Only a HANDFUL of kids who enroll in Wartburg or any private liberal arts college pay the sticker price.
• Coaches, trainers, and other football related athletic department staff and infrastructure all must be paid.
• The cost of equipment, travel, etc. for a squad that size.
• No TV revenue sharing.
• Wartburg isn't a large school with athletic revenue and expense budgets in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

While the student isn't paying the full tuition sticker price, the institution still receives the full sticker price.

 

[colin2229]

Yes, I understand the enrollment spurring thing. But, those 180 players all come with COSTS -- academic costs, which apply to all students, and athletic costs, which apply to athletes only.

I'm a little leery of colleges that boast of huge percentages of the student body involved in athletics. Take Quincy University here in Illinois, for example. Almost 50% of their student body plays at least one sport. Is that healthy? As a sports fan, I'd say yes as a knee jerk response. The more I think of it objectively, however, what does that do in a school of about 1000 students? What kind of social dynamic is there between athletes and non-athletes? Is it really a sustainable model financially?

That's how small colleges survive.

I would never think a college has too high a % of students playing sports. The more of our future generation playing college sports...the better.

 

[BillyTheBuffoon]

Saint John's in MN routinely has 180-200 every year

 

[Thedoctor50]

While the student isn't paying the full tuition sticker price, the institution still receives the full sticker price.

No, the institution does not receive full sticker price. Most of the financial aid is from the institution.

 

[DisgustingSounds]

I'm a little leery of colleges that boast of huge percentages of the student body involved in athletics. Take Quincy University here in Illinois, for example. Almost 50% of their student body plays at least one sport. Is that healthy? As a sports fan, I'd say yes as a knee jerk response.

It’s not. Expect Quincy to go the way of Notre Dame College in Ohio which closed down earlier this year due to massive debt and the fact that most of the student body was involved in athletics. Somebody has to pay tuition.

 

[colin2229]

No, the institution does not receive full sticker price. Most of the financial aid is from the institution.

That the college fundraised for

 

[ClownBaby]

People are over estimating the cost of a D3 program it’s a lot closer $$ to high school football than it is to D1 football. There is a reason you are seeing an explosion in schools adding D3 football over the last decade, it is a money maker at the majority of schools that have a program.

 

[AmbroseBlack]

People are over estimating the cost of a D3 program it’s a lot closer $$ to high school football than it is to D1 football. There is a reason you are seeing an explosion in schools adding D3 football over the last decade, it is a money maker at the majority of schools that have a program.

Interesting data on DIII athletic revenue for schools with and without football.

15-Year Trends in Division III Athletics Finances