Southern Illinois cheap shot
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Saw a bunch about this on another message board.
Was a JFL game Flora vs Mt Carmel. Mt. Carmel kid was knocked unconscious and spent a day or two in the hospital, but has apparently recovered.
Looks like a blatant cheap shot to me. Was about a minute left in a two score game.
Was a JFL game Flora vs Mt Carmel. Mt. Carmel kid was knocked unconscious and spent a day or two in the hospital, but has apparently recovered.
Looks like a blatant cheap shot to me. Was about a minute left in a two score game.
I wonder if we asked the board, how many people have ever heard of Flora, IL before let alone know where it is?
Mount Carmel is much better known. Big 8 school, they play in an Indiana conference. I think they played Driscoll during their title streak.
Mount Carmel is much better known. Big 8 school, they play in an Indiana conference. I think they played Driscoll during their title streak.
Looks like a clear case of assault. There certainly appears to be intent to cause bodily harm with premeditation.
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Flora Wolves.Only because a friend of mine from High School moved there.It is a bit extreme for future opponents to have cancelled playing them.Yeah it was a total garbage play.dangerous.But cancelling games a bit much.
Just south of Effingham and west of Olney, home of the Albino Squirrel.
Wikipedia: White squirrels have the right-of-way on all public streets, sidewalks, and thoroughfares in Olney, and there is a $750 fine for running one over.
The article says that no penalty was called on the play. Perhaps that is because the game was called immediately after the play, so it's not like there was any yardage the officials could walk off. Regardless, there was an obvious flag that was thrown within a second of that hit.
I am wondering what, if anything, the kid said after the fact that might offer a clue to explain his action. Not saying there is any excuse for what he did, but the Flora coaches resigning makes me wonder if the Flora sideline called a blitz on that play or if this was some sort of practiced timing play to disrupt the snap. If so, is it possible the kid simply mistimed getting a jump on the snap? If not, then I can't think of any explanation other than the kid went rogue.
Question: If that kid were to have come flying into the center a split second after the snap/exchange, would this be news?
Again, if that kid came blasting through there within a half-second of the snap, would this be news?
I'm just trying to find an explanation. The coaches resigned. Did they do so because they are taking the fall for a rogue kid? Or did they resign because they called a play that backfired?
There is no explanation. The kid made a non-football play, with intent. Coaches, as adults, are responsible for their players on the field, especially at that age. They resigned, as they should have.
Seriously Ramblin, if you are timing a snap, the idea would be to shoot the gap or jump over the line in an effort to get to the ball before it got to the QB. Blasting the center, from this view was the only purpose of the action. The coaches resigned because they told the kid to do it as some form a payment for a misdeed and then tried to act like it wasn't that big of a deal.
The tell is that the offending kid gets up sheepishly afterwards and turns back toward his team. If this was some sort of accident, he would have tapped his head like it was a mistake and even possibly checked on the down player.
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At this moment, this should be viewed in legal terms. Clearly aiming with his head, the player delivering the attack is an assailant; and the player attacked is a victim.
I tend to believe the assailant had gotten his a** kicked by the victim the entire game so he decided to administer a crude from of justice.
Coaches resign, but not a word about punishment handed down on the assailant.
Agreed but your final point brings to mind the resolution to another local event that seems to have riled many on the board because there was "not a word about punishment handed down on the assilant"(s) if ya know what I mean.
You mean the rapists at LZ still playing and representing their school?Agreed but your final point brings to mind the resolution to another local event that seems to have riled many on the board because there was "not a word about punishment handed down on the assilant"(s) if ya know what I mean.
Again, I'm just trying to determine if this was something the kid did on his own or if he was instructed to do it. Is it safe to assume the coaches resigned because they instructed the kid to do that? Or are they resigning because they are falling on their own swords because it was their kid who went rogue?
From how deep in the secondary did the kid start his run to be going as fast as he was? The O-linemen were in their down stances. If it was intentional to run into the center before the snap, how did the kid know the opposing count and when the ball would be snapped relative to when he started his run?
And, again, if this kid came flying into the center a half second after the snap, would this still be news?
"Again, I'm just trying to determine if this was something the kid did on his own or if he was instructed to do it. Is it safe to assume the coaches resigned because they instructed the kid to do that? Or are they resigning because they are falling on their own swords because it was their kid who went rogue?"
You'd have to ask the kid that, or the coaches. And you'll never actually know that answer. And if you did, how would it change anything, other than you knowing? As a coach, you're responsible for your kids on the field. It ends there.
You'd have to ask the kid that, or the coaches. And you'll never actually know that answer. And if you did, how would it change anything, other than you knowing? As a coach, you're responsible for your kids on the field. It ends there.
It would change my opinion of the coaches. Sometimes doo-doo happens because you deserve it, and sometimes it happens when you don't deserve it. If the coaches called that play, then that's dead wrong on their part, and they deserve to be prosecuted. If the kid went rogue, and the coaches resigned because it was the honorable thing to do, then that's a very different story.
I'm also wondering if this is a coaches kid that did this if that's why they resigned. I've been in or around football as a player and coach for 30 years and I've never seen or heard a coach say to deliberately hurt another player. I would like to see the film 2,3,5,10 minutes before to see if anything transpired to provoke such a cheap shot as he clearly put his head down and trucked the center. Some kids lack discipline these days and I'll tell you if this boy played for me and did this on his own accord he'd never see another down of football ever again. And serious question some are saying legal action, what possible lega action could be taken on the player or coach for that matter if it comes to light that they order this stupid act. I've personally never heard of someone being legally charged due to on field actions during a football game?
Well, to be honest, you don't often see things like this where an attack is so vicious and obviously outside the bounds of a real "play." The legal side always comes down to the victim. If the victim wishes to press charges, this video evidence would force the attacker to prove some other, non-egregious purpose. Think back to last year's attack on the referee in, I think Texas. Two kids laid out a ref intentionally and were suspended, but the only reason they were not criminally charged was due to the ref choosing to not pursue charges.
In this case, it will come down to the family's wishes. My guess is that the police have done some interviewing of adults and kids where their parents approved. Anyone harboring any guilt will hire an attorney and stonewall the police in the hopes that the victim decides to not pursue.
Proving criminal assault would require proving intent, but taking the attacker to civil court to recover pain and suffering + hospital costs seems very logical.
OMG help me. Is it possible to punish the kid for the rest of the season if the adults had nothing to do with it?
I gotcha, all good. Early on you were wondering if it was a mis-timed snap. It clearly isn't that.
