Private Schools 6 - Public 1
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who decided to add the multiplier waiver, what a disaster. without the waiver althoff is in 3a cc in 4a montini 5a depaul 6a this year. would completely change the public/private look this year.
i would support moving to remove the waiver, but this slate could result a much more dramatic reaction
i would support moving to remove the waiver, but this slate could result a much more dramatic reaction
Just have true 1 to 32 seeding. In 3a it should be Byron vs Montini.
I do think the waiver should be harder to obtain. I think they should get rid of SF or make it for everyone
i agree with all 3 of these. 1-32 should increase competition in the state game. you don't necessarily need to remove waiver but make it the rolling instead of windows, and maybe x games over 3 years so it takes more than one down class to lose it.
success factor for everyone and rolling would be ideal is well but the for everyone part is not happening, not going to die on that hill
I’ve read plenty of messages about people disagreeing with the 2 year enrollment process. What’s the reasoning behind it? Is it really that tedious to get yearly enrollment numbers?
I’ve heard that it was a holdover from the districts thing that got voted in then rescinded. Not 100% sure though.
I do think the specific 2 year window thing is really dumb
193-28 point differential in four championship games is wild to me
Problem is 1/32 seeding using current seeding process woujd have had Plano number 1 and losing to number 14 Montini in semifinals that would still result in Montini wiping out somebody at ISU.
Using the 1/32 system would likely cost the ihsa $$$$ because of long fan travel which kills the gate and the high travel expenses the ihsa would reimburse teams.
If you want Plano vs Montini at ISU then what is needed is a fair solid new way of seeding teams that can pass the ihsa test for fairness and would somehow if used this season had Plano and Montini seeded 1-2 in class 3a.
Good luck with that.
And of course if you have a 1/32 seeding system that has Plano band montini at 1-2, then you are surely going to get even more playoff teams getting clocked in the first two rounds than you are getting now at 1/16 seeding.
1-32 and seeding , you would’ve seen a close game between Byron and Montini in 3A and a close game between DP and CC in 4A. No offense, I can’t speak for 1 and 2 because I don’t know much about those classes.
It is obvious that something needs to change - putting private schools in a seperate playoff would not be a bad idea as other states do it. Publics, especially the smaller ones cannot compete with the recruiting advantages that private have for the most part.
1A and 2A traditionally the private schools have struggled. Even this year most of the private schools in 1A were out early.
Althoff was a different beast and certainly the new multiplier waiver format is demoting teams much more aggressively.
I'd make all the non-tiny privates play at least 6A. A CCL school playing below that level is unfair to the smaller private schools.
You mean to tell me that schools that pay the tuitions of elite players beat regular old public school handily ? Shocked
A separate private playoff would be awful. I believe that every CCL/ESCC team should have to play 6A and up. They have the resources and talent rich areas. I think that is more than reasonable. I can see an argument for Marmion, DLS, Leo to be lower.
Of course they can. Being an IHSA member school is voluntary. If enough private schools left, they could certainly form their own organization.
In fact, it’s been discussed here for years. Do a search on NIPL.
The 5-0 reference was to private schools winning the first 5 title games at ISU and public schools winning 0.
You are obviously referring to the fact that after 5?games are played that private schools will have a 5-1 record.
Two things csn be true at the same time.
Actually…5-0
Point is this….. should it be separated?
My vote is no. Football is a priority… period!
Public schools need to go against the political grain and have a set of manhood that mirrors the private schools.
Take a look at superintendents and principals. York is there because of their principal who hired not only good teachers… but good coaches.
Private schools have more Latitude..:: and that should change with public schools… like York did.
York/Loyola will tell us all a lot. I’m a big fan of both!
Just watch…..
Le-Win would’ve beat Maroa, Monticello, and Mt. Zion. I feel like the best teams from the south got beat 2A-4A. The playoff still needs adjustments though.
1-32 1A-8A is a must
Chicago Christian and DePaul are true outliers though because they have never been in that position. But if it’s that easy to gather talent quickly, the Central/south won’t win a 5A or below title for a long time.
What does this even mean? Especially your part about latitude?
Also the part about hiring good coaches?
The coaches that took 2nd in 1A-3A have numerous state championships. Like 12 between the 3 of them.
In between taking care of my mom on her long journey I must throw in the fact 5-6 St.Ignatius destroyed 12-1 Whitney Young 47-8 in the Prep Bowl
I agree something needs to be done. But It’s not like Byron and Montini were seeded 1-2 in the north. Montini was the 14 seed overall in 3A this year. 1 to 32 seeding would’ve worked out in this case, but only by luck. A Montini team with 2 losses can just as easily be a 16 seed…. Then they still have Byron in round 2.
Montini really travelled once this playoff, to Princeton. And for me, it sucked. It’s the one playoff game I missed because of family stuff. That’s not even far either. I can’t imagine Round 1 in Litchfield (home of the Fightin’ Gorowski’s) and then round 2 in Cahokia or something like that.
I’m not sure there’s a good answer without getting Montini out of there. But as people pointed out earlier, it’s not like the Sages would’ve given Byron a game either.
Montini really travelled once this playoff, to Princeton. And for me, it sucked. It’s the one playoff game I missed because of family stuff. That’s not even far either. I can’t imagine Round 1 in Litchfield (home of the Fightin’ Gorowski’s) and then round 2 in Cahokia or something like that.
I’m not sure there’s a good answer without getting Montini out of there. But as people pointed out earlier, it’s not like the Sages would’ve given Byron a game either.
By the way, when I went for a hot chocolate in the middle of the game, the lady ringing me out at concessions was all over the public/private debate. And I didn’t even ask. “$5 please. This is ridiculous. Public can’t compete with privates. This is going to be another blowout.” It was 21-0 in the first quarter at the time. I had to chuckle to myself. I said yea, we shouldn’t be in 3A and kept it moving.
They have tried different things (multiplier, success factor, etc) but none of them work to accurately place teams.
Split them into public and private like many other states and shrink down classes. That’s the best scenario for everyone for a more leveled plying field. They are HS kids, not professional athletes.
Split them into public and private like many other states and shrink down classes. That’s the best scenario for everyone for a more leveled plying field. They are HS kids, not professional athletes.
I posted this on a couple threads, I'll stick it on this one too
There have been some great and competitive games between Public and Private this playoff season. LWE/LA, MC/Normal, Fenwick/DGN, DePaul/Coal City, Montini/Byron all were one possession games that went down to the end and I'm probably missing a couple more games. If Rochester didn't get upset early could they have beaten DePaul? Due to the seeding though these games happened in bracket play and seeding teams better would help that....I mean Whitney Young, who got destroyed by Iggy in the Prep Bowl, was the 7A #1 seed.....only reason they moved on to round 2 was because they played fellow CPS, a 4-5 Kenwood, in round 1. But how do we do this? Whitney was the only 9-0 team. You have to start factoring in Strength of Schedule. I'm sure we will own moan over that too but it's will better divide teams forced to play early on.
There have been some great and competitive games between Public and Private this playoff season. LWE/LA, MC/Normal, Fenwick/DGN, DePaul/Coal City, Montini/Byron all were one possession games that went down to the end and I'm probably missing a couple more games. If Rochester didn't get upset early could they have beaten DePaul? Due to the seeding though these games happened in bracket play and seeding teams better would help that....I mean Whitney Young, who got destroyed by Iggy in the Prep Bowl, was the 7A #1 seed.....only reason they moved on to round 2 was because they played fellow CPS, a 4-5 Kenwood, in round 1. But how do we do this? Whitney was the only 9-0 team. You have to start factoring in Strength of Schedule. I'm sure we will own moan over that too but it's will better divide teams forced to play early on.
There are legitimate points to be made when discussing public versus private schools and recruiting. This statement, however, is not fair or accurate.
The privates will break off and then form their own league - and the IHSA knows it
@ramblinman has been waiting for someone to ask this!!!! Free the NIPL! Maybe Miley Cyrus will be our spokesperson to get this going.
In all honesty, when I realized Althoff was going to 1A, I salivated. And why should we not eat the low-hanging fruit for once? We've been reclassified hwo many times with various rules over the years?
Football enrollment - okay, adjust the schedule a bit. Multiplier and FBE - too much flesh. The multiplier by itself, set the number and let's play ball. Success factor - make sure it applies to everyone.
Football enrollment - okay, adjust the schedule a bit. Multiplier and FBE - too much flesh. The multiplier by itself, set the number and let's play ball. Success factor - make sure it applies to everyone.
The Ihsa should know that their chess game has been exposed….
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