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If the PLAYOFFS started today.... (Week 9)

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Catch--22

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Every Monday(-ish), I bracket the 256 playoff teams using the IHSA Playoff Outlook. This is NOT a prediction. These are NOT my opinions. It is simply the most logical way the playoffs would be bracketed, using the IHSA's specific system, if today's standings were the final standings.

Each week I usually have to add/subtract teams to get a true 256. The Outlook doesn't adjust for a conference champion/representative falling below the cutoff. It also rewards forfeit victories before the week that match-up would've been played. I take care of that before proceeding.

The cutoff on the Playoff Outlook is 4-4 with 36 playoff points. 14 teams have that record. 11 of those teams are in the playoffs, and 3 are out. The next tie-breaker used was wins by defeated opponents. Here is the sliver of difference between these teams:
Team 246 - Bremen in 6A --- 4-4/36/17
Team 247 - Oregon in 3A ---4-4/36/13
Team 248 - Tuscola in 1A --- 4-4/36/11
Team 249 - Nokomis in 1A --- 4-4/36/10
Team 250 - Piasa Southwestern in 2A --- 4-4/36/9
Team 251 - Crystal Lake Central in 6A --- 4-4/36/8
Team 252 - Fithian Oakwood in 2A --- 4-4/36/7
Team 253 - West Chicago in 7A --- 4-4/36/7
Team 254 - Rockford Lutheran in 1A --- 4-4/36/6 with 5 opponents in the playoffs
Team 255 - Genoa-Kingston in 3A --- 4-4/36/6 with 5 opponents in the playoffs
Team 256 - Bartlett in 8A --- 4-4/36/6 with 4 opponents in the playoffs, playoff opponents win total is 24 ---- LAST TEAM IN
Team 257 - Burlington Central in 5A --- 4-4/36/6 with 4 opponents in the playoffs, playoff opponents win total is 23 ---- FIRST TEAM OUT
Team 258 - Argenta-Oreana in 1A --- 4-4/36/6 with 3 opponents in the playoffs
Team 259 - Clifton Central in 1A --- 4-4/36/6 with 3 opponents in the playoffs

***** NOTE ***** The list above is what how I think the IHSA broke it down on this particular Outlook, from 8:30 AM Sunday. I think the 4-4 opponents threw off the tie-breaker. My research has the following, but I'm not changing anything now.

Team 256 - Argenta-Oreana is MY last team in at 4-4/36/6 and 4 playoff opponents totaling 25 wins.
Team 257 - Bartlett would be the first team out at 4-4/36/6 with 4 playoff opponents totaling 24 wins and having allowed 175 points in those 4 games.
Team 258 - Clifton Central would be the next out at 4-4/36/6 with 4 playoff opponents totaling 24 wins and having allowed 189 points in those 4 games.
Team 259 - Burlington Central would be third out at 4-4/36/6 with 4 playoff opponents totaling 23 wins


My adjustments....

Check the forfeits first. Just East St. Louis. Take away one win for now, drop them a few slots in the seeds.

Next, let's check to see if every conference has at least one team representing it in the playoff field. Praise Jesus, THEY ALL DO!

My adjustments.... Some are needed possibly, as detailed above. I made no adjustments, because it's too late and I'm tired.

THAT'S IT!

NOTES:
Maybe I'll edit some notes in here on Monday

* is the smallest team in the class
^ is the biggest team in the class

~~~ 8A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#32 Bartlett at #1 Lincoln-Way East
#17 Palatine at #16 Lockport
#25 West Aurora at #8 Maine South
#24 Naperville North at #9 Naperville Central

#29 Plainfield North at #4 Edwardsville* (2307)
#20 Downers Grove South at #13 Stevenson
#28 Lane at #5 York
#21 Oswego at #12 Belleville East

Lower Bracket
#31 O'Fallon at #2 Loyola
#18 Sandburg at #15 Minooka
#26 St. Ignatius at #7 Huntley
#23 Lyons at #10 Joliet West

#30 Homewood-Flossmoor at #3 Barrington
#19 Neuqua Valley at #14 Glenbard West
#27 Niles West at #6 South Elgin
#22 East Aurora at #11 Warren


~~~ 7A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#32 West Chicago at #1 Mt. Carmel
#17 Willowbrook at #16 Whitney Young
#25 Buffalo Grove at #8 Batavia
#24 Hoffman Estates at #9 Lincoln-Way Central

#29 Fenwick* (1819) at #4 Quincy
#20 Collinsville at #13 St. Charles North
#28 Brother Rice at #5 Hersey
#21 Wheaton North at #12 Bradley-Bourbannais

Lower Bracket
#31 Mundelein at #2 Normal
#18 Addison Trail at #15 Downers Grove North
#26 Harlem at #7 Maine West
#23 Yorkville at #10 Glenbard East^ (2255)

#30 Wheaton Warrenville South at #3 Hononegah
#19 St. Rita at #14 Prospect
#27 Jacobs at #6 Lincoln Park
#22 Kenwood at #11 Lincoln-Way West


~~~ 6A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#16 Crystal Lake Central at #1 Lake Zurich
#9 Kaneland* (1326) #8 Mather
#13 Senn at #4 Belvidere North
#12 Highland Park at #5 Wauconda

#15 Lake Forest at #2 Lake View
#10 Libertyville at #7 Amundsen
#14 Grant at #3 Cary-Grove
#11 Auburn^ (1816) at #6 Geneva

Lower Bracket
#16 Bremen at #1 Kankakee
#9 Centenniel at #8 Riverside-Brookfield
#13 Eisenhower at #4 East St. Louis
#12 Glenwood at #5 Crete-Monee

#15 Lemont at #2 Washington
#10 Bloomington at #7 Dunlap
#14 Hubbard at #3 Richards
#11 Simeon at #6 Normal West


~~~ 5A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#16 Benet at #1 Sycamore
#9 St. Francis #8 TF North
#13 Lindblom at #4 Antioch
#12 Noble/UIC at #5 Morgan Park

#15 Nazareth at #2 Prairie Ridge
#10 Rochelle at #7 Glenbard South
#14 Corliss at #3 Payton
#11 Evergreen Park at #6 Carmel

Lower Bracket
#16 Jacksonville at #1 Morris* (848)
#9 Joliet Catholic #8 Metamora
#13 Mt. Vernon at #4 Highland
#12 Triad at #5 Sacred Heart-Griffin

#15 LaSalle-Peru at #2 Morton
#10 Carbondale at #7 Hillcrest
#14 Providence^ (1296) at #3 Mahomet-Seymour
#11 MacArthur at #6 Peoria


~~~ 4A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#16 Marengo at #1 Richmond-Burton
#9 Geneseo #8 St. Laurence^ (844)
#13 Phillips at #4 Wheaton Academy
#12 Sandwich at #5 Dyett

#15 Sullivan at #2 Boylan Catholic
#10 Noble/Rauner at #7 Immaculate Conception
#14 Ridgewood at #3 Dixon
#11 Phoenix at #6 Chicago Vocational

Lower Bracket
#16 Effingham at #1 Murphysboro
#9 Coal City #8 Charelston
#13 Freeburg at #4 Kewanee
#12 Harrisburg at #5 Breese Central

#15 Lincoln at #2 Rochester
#10 Normal University at #7 Mount Zion
#14 Peo. Notre Dame at #3 Greenville
#11 Benton* (541) at #6 Carterville


~~~ 3A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#16 Genoa-Kingston at #1 Byron
#9 Montini at #8 Crane
#13 Peotone at #4 Wilmington
#12 Stillman Valley at #5 Princeton

#15 Oregon at #2 North Lawndale
#10 Eureka at #7 North Boone
#14 Monmouth-Roseville at #3 Du-Pec Coop
#11 Prairie Central^ (530) at #6 Noble/Johnson

Lower Bracket
#16 Fairfield at #1 DuQuoin
#9 Nashville* (406) at #8 Unity
#13 Clinton at #4 Mt. Carmel
#12 Litchfield at #5 St. Joseph-Ogden

#15 Paxton-Buckley-Loda at #2 Sullivan-Okaw Valley
#10 Paris at #7 Williamsville
#14 Monticello at #3 Roxana
#11 Carlinville at #6 Olympia
 
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Morris vs. JCA in round 2 in 5A would be another great chapter in the rivalry, but that game deserves to be later in the playoffs. #seedallclasses1-32
 
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Upsets happen, but York could be honorary members of the Southwestern Conference with their path.
 
The upper bracket of the upper bracket in 5A is interesting.
 
Class 8a bracket is wrong because you didn't include the week 9 playoff points for the DVC teams. This messes the entire bracket up.
 
SiuCubFan8 said:
Lots will depend on how it sets up for those 7-8 teams.
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Absolutely. I see a top tier of St. Francis and Prairie Ridge. Real contenders in Sycamore, Morris, Carmel. Don't think you can count out JC, Naz, Morgan Park, SHG, or even Peoria.

If Providence sneaks in, that leaves them likely outside of the 10 most likely contenders, which makes this a pretty deep class. Even Morton and Rochelle seem to have pretty "up" teams this year meaning I think you could make a case for near half the class to be at least semifinal candidates.

You are correct in that it is all about how it sets up. If you can avoid having to play one of those other 10 until the quarterfinals, that is huge. It is also huge if you can avoid getting one of those top 3-5 contenders in your quadrant of 8 teams altogether.
 
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mchsalumni said:
If the playoffs started today. Read that 5 times. Slowly,

@Catch--22 it took longer for someone to do this than in previous years!
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@mchsalumni in response to your condescending and ignorant response to my post...

Catch22 is a great HS football fan and long time contributor to this board and I do appreciate his efforts. His brackets are fun and time consuming to assemble. I was just pointing out an error. No disrespect to him. He didn't "catch" the fact that the IHSA had not updated the playoff points (opponent wins) for the DVC teams. Not his fault. This afternoon the IHSA updated the week nine schedules of the DVC teams and, in fact, included the opponent wins through week nine.
Just like all of the other teams in the state.

This was my point. So Sandburg (5-3) with 39 opponent wins IS NOT a #18 seed. Neuqua Valley (5-3) with 44 points is not below Sandburg TODAY. They would be above Palatine. Naperville Central (33 PP) is above Maine South. And Naper North is not (if the playoffs were today) a #24 seed. They would be #20. And it messes the entire bracket up, just like I said.
 
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Catch--22 said:
Every Monday(-ish), I bracket the 256 playoff teams using the IHSA Playoff Outlook. This is NOT a prediction. These are NOT my opinions. It is simply the most logical way the playoffs would be bracketed, using the IHSA's specific system, if today's standings were the final standings.

Each week I usually have to add/subtract teams to get a true 256. The Outlook doesn't adjust for a conference champion/representative falling below the cutoff. It also rewards forfeit victories before the week that match-up would've been played. I take care of that before proceeding.

The cutoff on the Playoff Outlook is 4-4 with 36 playoff points. 14 teams have that record. 11 of those teams are in the playoffs, and 3 are out. The next tie-breaker used was wins by defeated opponents. Here is the sliver of difference between these teams:
Team 246 - Bremen in 6A --- 4-4/36/17
Team 247 - Oregon in 3A ---4-4/36/13
Team 248 - Tuscola in 1A --- 4-4/36/11
Team 249 - Nokomis in 1A --- 4-4/36/10
Team 250 - Piasa Southwestern in 2A --- 4-4/36/9
Team 251 - Crystal Lake Central in 6A --- 4-4/36/8
Team 252 - Fithian Oakwood in 2A --- 4-4/36/7
Team 253 - West Chicago in 7A --- 4-4/36/7
Team 254 - Rockford Lutheran in 1A --- 4-4/36/6 with 5 opponents in the playoffs
Team 255 - Genoa-Kingston in 3A --- 4-4/36/6 with 5 opponents in the playoffs
Team 256 - Bartlett in 8A --- 4-4/36/6 with 4 opponents in the playoffs, playoff opponents win total is 24 ---- LAST TEAM IN
Team 257 - Burlington Central in 5A --- 4-4/36/6 with 4 opponents in the playoffs, playoff opponents win total is 23 ---- FIRST TEAM OUT
Team 258 - Argenta-Oreana in 1A --- 4-4/36/6 with 3 opponents in the playoffs
Team 259 - Clifton Central in 1A --- 4-4/36/6 with 3 opponents in the playoffs

***** NOTE ***** The list above is what how I think the IHSA broke it down on this particular Outlook, from 8:30 AM Sunday. I think the 4-4 opponents threw off the tie-breaker. My research has the following, but I'm not changing anything now.

Team 256 - Argenta-Oreana is MY last team in at 4-4/36/6 and 4 playoff opponents totaling 25 wins.
Team 257 - Bartlett would be the first team out at 4-4/36/6 with 4 playoff opponents totaling 24 wins and having allowed 175 points in those 4 games.
Team 258 - Clifton Central would be the next out at 4-4/36/6 with 4 playoff opponents totaling 24 wins and having allowed 189 points in those 4 games.
Team 259 - Burlington Central would be third out at 4-4/36/6 with 4 playoff opponents totaling 23 wins


My adjustments....

Check the forfeits first. Just East St. Louis. Take away one win for now, drop them a few slots in the seeds.

Next, let's check to see if every conference has at least one team representing it in the playoff field. Praise Jesus, THEY ALL DO!

My adjustments.... Some are needed possibly, as detailed above. I made no adjustments, because it's too late and I'm tired.

THAT'S IT!

NOTES:
Maybe I'll edit some notes in here on Monday

* is the smallest team in the class
^ is the biggest team in the class

~~~ 8A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#32 Bartlett at #1 Lincoln-Way East
#17 Palatine at #16 Lockport
#25 West Aurora at #8 Maine South
#24 Naperville North at #9 Naperville Central

#29 Plainfield North at #4 Edwardsville* (2307)
#20 Downers Grove South at #13 Stevenson
#28 Lane at #5 York
#21 Oswego at #12 Belleville East

Lower Bracket
#31 O'Fallon at #2 Loyola
#18 Sandburg at #15 Minooka
#26 St. Ignatius at #7 Huntley
#23 Lyons at #10 Joliet West

#30 Homewood-Flossmoor at #3 Barrington
#19 Neuqua Valley at #14 Glenbard West
#27 Niles West at #6 South Elgin
#22 East Aurora at #11 Warren


~~~ 7A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#32 West Chicago at #1 Mt. Carmel
#17 Willowbrook at #16 Whitney Young
#25 Buffalo Grove at #8 Batavia
#24 Hoffman Estates at #9 Lincoln-Way Central

#29 Fenwick* (1819) at #4 Quincy
#20 Collinsville at #13 St. Charles North
#28 Brother Rice at #5 Hersey
#21 Wheaton North at #12 Bradley-Bourbannais

Lower Bracket
#31 Mundelein at #2 Normal
#18 Addison Trail at #15 Downers Grove North
#26 Harlem at #7 Maine West
#23 Yorkville at #10 Glenbard East^ (2255)

#30 Wheaton Warrenville South at #3 Hononegah
#19 St. Rita at #14 Prospect
#27 Jacobs at #6 Lincoln Park
#22 Kenwood at #11 Lincoln-Way West


~~~ 6A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#16 Crystal Lake Central at #1 Lake Zurich
#9 Kaneland* (1326) #8 Mather
#13 Senn at #4 Belvidere North
#12 Highland Park at #5 Wauconda

#15 Lake Forest at #2 Lake View
#10 Libertyville at #7 Amundsen
#14 Grant at #3 Cary-Grove
#11 Auburn^ (1816) at #6 Geneva

Lower Bracket
#16 Bremen at #1 Kankakee
#9 Centenniel at #8 Riverside-Brookfield
#13 Eisenhower at #4 East St. Louis
#12 Glenwood at #5 Crete-Monee

#15 Lemont at #2 Washington
#10 Bloomington at #7 Dunlap
#14 Hubbard at #3 Richards
#11 Simeon at #6 Normal West


~~~ 5A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#16 Benet at #1 Sycamore
#9 St. Francis #8 TF North
#13 Lindblom at #4 Antioch
#12 Noble/UIC at #5 Morgan Park

#15 Nazareth at #2 Prairie Ridge
#10 Rochelle at #7 Glenbard South
#14 Corliss at #3 Payton
#11 Evergreen Park at #6 Carmel

Lower Bracket
#16 Jacksonville at #1 Morris* (848)
#9 Joliet Catholic #8 Metamora
#13 Mt. Vernon at #4 Highland
#12 Triad at #5 Sacred Heart-Griffin

#15 LaSalle-Peru at #2 Morton
#10 Carbondale at #7 Hillcrest
#14 Providence^ (1296) at #3 Mahomet-Seymour
#11 MacArthur at #6 Peoria


~~~ 4A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#16 Marengo at #1 Richmond-Burton
#9 Geneseo #8 St. Laurence^ (844)
#13 Phillips at #4 Wheaton Academy
#12 Sandwich at #5 Dyett

#15 Sullivan at #2 Boylan Catholic
#10 Noble/Rauner at #7 Immaculate Conception
#14 Ridgewood at #3 Dixon
#11 Phoenix at #6 Chicago Vocational

Lower Bracket
#16 Effingham at #1 Murphysboro
#9 Coal City #8 Charelston
#13 Freeburg at #4 Kewanee
#12 Harrisburg at #5 Breese Central

#15 Lincoln at #2 Rochester
#10 Normal University at #7 Mount Zion
#14 Peo. Notre Dame at #3 Greenville
#11 Benton* (541) at #6 Carterville


~~~ 3A ~~~

Upper Bracket
#16 Genoa-Kingston at #1 Byron
#9 Montini at #8 Crane
#13 Peotone at #4 Wilmington
#12 Stillman Valley at #5 Princeton

#15 Oregon at #2 North Lawndale
#10 Eureka at #7 North Boone
#14 Monmouth-Roseville at #3 Du-Pec Coop
#11 Prairie Central^ (530) at #6 Noble/Johnson

Lower Bracket
#16 Fairfield at #1 DuQuoin
#9 Nashville* (406) at #8 Unity
#13 Clinton at #4 Mt. Carmel
#12 Litchfield at #5 St. Joseph-Ogden

#15 Paxton-Buckley-Loda at #2 Sullivan-Okaw Valley
#10 Paris at #7 Williamsville
#14 Monticello at #3 Roxana
#11 Carlinville at #6 Olympia
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Great stuff! In recent past, I believe Eddieville and Glenbard East have been 8a. Here, one's in 7a while the other's in 8a.
 
NNFAN said:
@mchsalumni in response to your condescending and ignorant response to my post...

Catch22 is a great HS football fan and long time contributor to this board and I do appreciate his efforts. His brackets are fun and time consuming to assemble. I was just pointing out an error. No disrespect to him. He didn't "catch" the fact that the IHSA had not updated the playoff points (opponent wins) for the DVC teams. Not his fault. This afternoon the IHSA updated the week nine schedules of the DVC teams and, in fact, included the opponent wins through week nine.
Just like all of the other teams in the state.

This was my point. So Sandburg (5-3) with 39 opponent wins IS NOT a #18 seed. Neuqua Valley (5-3) with 44 points is not below Sandburg TODAY. They would be above Palatine. Naperville Central (33 PP) is above Maine South. And Naper North is not (if the playoffs were today) a #24 seed. They would be #20. And it messes the entire bracket up, just like I said.
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That wasn't very clear in your initial post, it read different than you meant. But I stand corrected if it was a clerical error on the part of the IHSA.
 
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