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ICE Week 9

Wilmatucky

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Week 9 is actually going be sneaky good I feel. Hard to pick a GOTW as I see the last 3 listed of equal importance and equal potential for a upset

Streator (3-5) @ Wilmington (8-0) - Nothing to see here folks. Cats score as many as they want. Wilmo 55 Streator 14

Lisle (0-8) @ Braidwood (0-8) - TOLIET BOWL! It all comes down to week 9 to see who can get on the board. Although I want Lisle to win (Sorry @McEvergreen), I do like the COMETS to win this game and I don't think it'll be all that close. Lisle has been beaten badly in all games except their loss to Herscher (that was still 3 scores though). RC has kept it close in a handful of their losses. I like RC to win with ease. RC 28 Lisle 10 .......side note wouldn't it be funny if it was tied in the 4th and a huge lightning storm came in and forced the game to end in a tie.....that would probably be a first in IHSA history

Manteno (7-1) @ Coal City (6-2) - All this game will do is set one team up slightly better for the playoffs. Could be a 2nd round rematch in 4A if both end up in same half. I think CC is the better team. They played Wilmo tougher and I think Manteno was more a product of a weak ICE and their non-con opponents being pretty weak too. I like CC to win easy, but not as big as Wilmo beat Manteno. CC 35 Manteno 14

Herscher (4-4) @ Peotone (5-3) - Although I think Peotone is the better team and shouldn't have much trouble here, this game should be (traditionally) of more importance *see my note at end of post*. Playoff implications are on the line for at least 1 team. Herscher has beat the punching bags of the ICE and Mac. The 'tone has beat the same punching bags, and lost to the 2 heavy hitters in the ICE as well as a surprisingly good Manteno team. Will this game be close? I honestly don't think so, but I feel like if Herscher wins it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world. I think Peotone gets up early and the tigers just can't come back. Peotone 35 Herscher 21


ICE Power Rankings
1. Wilmo
2. CC
3. Manteno
4. Peotone
5. Herscher
6. Streator
7. Reed-Custer
8. Lisle

******Playoffs*****
Let's take a trip down memory lane youngsters. I remember a time post 8 classes, where 5-4 was not a guarantee to make the playoffs. Here is a brief dive into the recent trend:
'23 - 4-5 teams in - 6
'22 - 4-5 team in - 6
'21 - 5-4 teams out - 1
'20 - covid
'19 - data not available in the qualifiers tab, too lazy to look through all the records
'18 - 5-4 teams out - 18
'17 - 5-4 teams out - 17
After this it kind of bounces around but the trend since '17 is there.

I will admit, I don't follow much outside of the ICE or small school in general, but what will happen this year with those number. Years ago this week's game with Herscher and Peotone would be huge as neither team would be guaranteed as of right now and the game was a must win for both. However, this year would Herscher get in regardless of the result? Is the 'Tone potentially out if they lose? I honestly don't know, but I do think that the way trends are Peotone is set and Herscher needs the win to guarantee. Maybe 4 is good enough but IDK. I see Wilmo, CC, Manteno, and Peotone in, which I believe is what I predicted at start of year. At that point we will see where they are seeded and what draw they get.

***Other thoughts***

How long will RC let Johnston ride this out? Prior to this year's result he is 28-28. This year will drop him below the .500 mark in what will take several years to get back to .500. Do they even have a candidate close to consideration?

How long will Lisle last as a team? With only one team and a horrible year will the kids even continue to show interest?

What can we do to get better competition in the ICE? Should we look to adding teams, or setting up a conference agreement for our non-con games. IE top teams from ICE and another similar conference play week 1, second place in each play, so on and so forth.
 
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Wilmo will beat Streator by plenty. Let’s say 55-6. Everyone gets some playing time.

Coal City should pound Manteno. Wilmington played really great against them last week, but they were soft. Especially on D. They gave up an ungodly ypc number. Coalers 49-7 at home.

Reed-Custer hasn’t given up yet. They have not gotten in the W column, but they are still fighting and have 3 really close losses. Shoulda beat Herscher and probably shoulda won last week vs Streator. Unless they totally shit the bed, they should finally get over the hump vs Lisle. Comets 27, Lisle 13

Herscher could upset the apple cart and get into the dance with an unlikely win over the ‘Tone. I’m trying to conjure up a way that the Tigers can pull it off, but I just don’t see it happening on the road @ Peotone. I think Herscher might score a few TDs but their run defense looked awful and I don’t see them slowing down the Devils nearly enough. Peotone 41, Tigers 20

The real news is the 3 or 4 mild upsets involving 1A/2A teams that happened week 7 that opened up bids for those teams.
Wilmo was like 80/20 going 2A after week 7. Now after week 8, it looks like that flipped to about 80/20 going 3A. Pretty big difference between 2A and 3A.
 
I will admit, I don't follow much outside of the ICE or small school in general, but what will happen this year with those number. Years ago this week's game with Herscher and Peotone would be huge as neither team would be guaranteed as of right now and the game was a must win for both. However, this year would Herscher get in regardless of the result? Is the 'Tone potentially out if they lose? I honestly don't know, but I do think that the way trends are Peotone is set and Herscher needs the win to guarantee. Maybe 4 is good enough but IDK. I see Wilmo, CC, Manteno, and Peotone in, which I believe is what I predicted at start of year. At that point we will see where they are seeded and what draw they get.

***Other thoughts***



What can we do to get better competition in the ICE? Should we look to adding teams, or setting up a conference agreement for our non-con games. IE top teams from ICE and another similar conference play week 1, second place in each play, so on and so forth.
5-4 teams are virtually guaranteed to get in this year.
If Herscher was to upset Peotone , the ICE would get 5 teams in.

As far as non conference, I’m pretty happy with how things are set up now. Most leagues have their non conference at the beginning of the year. Teams are free to schedule appropriately. Teams like Wilmington and Coal City can try to challenge themselves, other teams can look for competitive games or easy wins.. whatever. It doesn’t make sense to schedule a world beater and get your ass handed to ya if you are still building your program and trying to finish 6-3 or 7-2.

As far as the conference strength as a whole, that stuff ebbs and flows. A few years ago in 2021, Wilmington won 2A and Reed-Custer was at worst the 3rd best team in 3A. They were actually better than Byron, they just didn’t get it done due to inexperience, bad luck and some tough breaks.
I think say the same in 2022 actually, but Wilmo got upset in the 2nd round that year.
 
Moving original post over from the other thread with some additions.

It has been a rough year. Hopefully some programs get an influx of young talent from the jr high level or really hit the development programs this offseason. But we do have 1 week left.

Wilmington's game will be over by the 1st quarter. Peotone's by half or the end of the 3rd quarter. This leaves two interesting games.

CC over Manteno. Manteno looked helpless against Wilmington and almost lost to RC. CC fought and fought hard. That's all I need. Also if you look at the past two meetings, CC seemed to run the ball all over them. My guess is CC's Benson has a huge game. CC 28 Manteno 7

GOTW: RC over Lisle. RC probably should be 3-5 right now and not feeling terrible. Seeing what they did when they were more talented a few years ago, I think they try to go scorched earth on lisle if possible. RC 35 Lisle 7.

As far as the conference strength, I think this is affecting small schools all over the state. Less kids staying home to work after HS/College means lees influx of individuals with community buy in. This greatly determines who walks in through the doors. The farther away from major metro areas decreases the likelihood of a family moving in. As far as I know, the conference teams do it right and aren't looking to go out and "recruit" kids like you see in other areas or other sports. Winter sports may be the worst for this. The ebb and flow will always be there. The conference should have never left Sandwich and Plano. They were generally were solid if not good. I blame that on weak minded admin.
 
Streator vs. Wilmington - I would imagine the Bulldogs are starting to get more focused on basketball at this point while Wilmington is polishing up the run game for a potential deep run in the playoffs. Wilmington 56 Streator 12

Lisle vs. Reed-Custer - Both teams have been playing for pride for a while and RC has let 3 or 4 wins slip through their hands. Expected more out of the Comets this year but can't overcome the offensive struggles. Lisle is in a bad spot program wise and hopefully they can right the ship next season. RC 25 Lisle 18


Manteno vs. Coal City - last week the Panthers showed who they really are and benefitted from having to play the two toughest weeks 8 and 9. Wilmington ran all over the Panthers and Coal City was the the only team that challenged the Wildcats. Coal City 44 Manteno 12

Herscher vs. Peotone - surprisingly enough but Herscher still has a shot at the playoffs. Should they end up winning this game it could throw a big wrench in the 3A playoff seeding and would give Peotone a bad draw and another potential matchup with Byron. Peotone will be ready to go and will win easily. Peotone 35 Herscher 16
 
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Cats win 56-18 over Streator. Streator actually had more total yards than Wilmo in a weird statistical anomaly.
Coal City smoked Manteno as expected, 49-7.
Reed-Custer crushed Lisle 49-12. I figured Comets would win by a couple scores, but they took their frustrations out tonight.
Peotone 35, Herscher 0 per scorezone. Herscher could have snuck in with a win, but it looks like Peotone ended that idea quickly.
 
Had a feeling. I've been pulling for the CATS to go 2A since August. They just don't matchup well in 3A.

It's still Wilmington and Coal City's conference. Tonight proves Manteno was just the top of the junk heap 💩
 
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No offense to the Manteno faithful but how the heck were they 7-0 coming in to Wilmo Last week? Gave up a hundred points in two games against Wilmo & CC and both of them could have scored 60 if they wanted to. Besides the Coalers and the Cats this conference is bad, really bad
 
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I think it’s mostly those two teams. They would have to play one or maybe even both of them
As or right now, updated early this morning, Soucie has Byron on the road at Montini in 3A round 2. Yikes.
No offense to the Manteno faithful but how the heck were they 7-0 coming in to Wilmo Last week? Gave up a hundred points in two games against Wilmo & CC and both of them could have scored 60 if they wanted to. Besides the Coalers and the Cats this conference is bad, really bad
Conference is not deep at all this year. I was shocked at how little resistance Manteno put up. Wilmo starting offense averaged over 25 ypc. Kettman had 6 carries and 4 TD, the Fullback had 2 carries both were long TD. I knew Coal City was gonna wax them. Name the score kinda game.
Manteno did beat Sandwich, who was also awful, but made the playoffs from their league. They also beat Plano from that league. There seems to be plenty of suspect teams making the playoffs out there, and that Kishwaukee conference isn't as strong as it usually is either.
 
Those two for sure but there's also Williamsville, Du-Pec, Monmoth, Monticello, Princeton depending on where the CATS play them.

Byron and Montini will meet in 2nd round at Montini, I would say it's a pick'em type game.

Princeton gets the winner, and maybe pull an upset if either team is banged up.

Wilmington and DuPec would be an interesting game if it happens.

Eureka is just okay, them and Peotone should be a fun one but I saw Eureka vs. Tri Valley and they struggle vs. Run dominant teams.

3A South is SJO or Williamsville. Monticello is good but got wiped by Unity last night and SJO in week 1. Also barely squeezed by BCC.

SJO gets Unity round 2 if Unity they can get past Roxana, I would call that a pick'em game.

PBL is a non factor, I know nothing of Monmouth but I would expect Monmouth/DuPec to be a really good matchup.

Monticello and Williamsville in 2nd and I would expect Williamsville to be a heavy favorite in that one.

Maybe Nashville squeaks by SJO but the Spartans have been pretty dominant this season.

It's going to be fun to see it all play out.

Regardless of class, winning a championship isn't easy and who ever wins 3A definitely deserves it.
 
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Byron and Montini will meet in 2nd round at Montini, I would say it's a pick'em type game.

Princeton gets the winner, and maybe pull an upset if either team is banged up.

Wilmington and DuPec would be an interesting game if it happens.

Eureka is just okay, them and Peotone should be a fun one but I saw Eureka vs. Tri Valley and they struggle vs. Run dominant teams.

3A South is SJO or Williamsville. Monticello is good but got wiped by Unity last night and SJO in week 1. Also barely squeezed by BCC.

SJO gets Unity round 2 if Unity they can get past Roxana, I would call that a pick'em game.

PBL is a non factor, I know nothing of Monmouth but I would expect Monmouth/DuPec to be a really good matchup.

Monticello and Williamsville in 2nd and I would expect Williamsville to be a heavy favorite in that one.

Maybe Nashville squeaks by SJO but the Spartans have been pretty dominant this season.

It's going to be fun to see it all play out.

Regardless of class, winning a championship isn't easy and who ever wins 3A definitely deserves it.
Forgot about SJO and I never bet against Cullen Welter at Monticello after what happened in 1998. Aledo lost to Rockridge 49-0 in week 8 and then ran the table to the state championship game where they beat Rockridge for the 2A title.
 
Is it just Montini/Byron or just overall in 3A?
I still can't wrap my head around the IHSA allowing Montini to drop to 3A for whatever reason. I was not a big fan of JCA dropping down to 4A because of all the weird Covid data.

The IHSA still has a little bit of tweaking to do on their private school multipliers.
 
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I still can't wrap my head around the IHSA allowing Montini to drop to 3A for whatever reason. I was not a big fan of JCA dropping down to 4A because of all the weird Covid data.

The IHSA still has a little bit of tweaking to do on their private school multipliers.
I mean their enrollment is 488 for the two year cycle. I think is what throws people off.
 
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qualifiers have been released and by my math I come up with the same thing.
Yeah I’m not quite the prognosticator some are, but I knew Wilmo was going 3A last night.
There were 4-5 somewhat unexpected results week 8 and then again a couple more week 9 that got 65 teams to the 5 win plateau that were smaller enrollment than Wilmo.
 
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