Glenbrook South CSL Champs

[ignazio]

Because of the forfeits, each of the nine teams pick up one win and drop one loss. South Elgin is now 11-0, Glenbrook South moves to 10-1, Stevenson is 7-3, Bolingbrook is 7-3, New Trier is 5-4, Barrington is 5-4, Glenbrook North is 4-5, Evanston is 4-5 and Niles West is 3-6.

With the forfeits, Glenbrook South becomes the new CSL South champions with a 5-0 conference record. The Titans only conference loss was to Maine South this past season.

Maine South Football Penalized By IHSA, Forfeit 9 Wins From 2022 Season - Journal & Topics Media Group

Maine South football is known as one of the best in the state, winning 464 games and six state championships in program history, along with four runner-up finishes over the last 20 seasons. Well, it was 464 wins, but now it is 455 wins after the Illinois High School Association (IHSA) announced...

www.journal-topics.com

 

[corey90]

Because of the forfeits, each of the nine teams pick up one win and drop one loss. South Elgin is now 11-0, Glenbrook South moves to 10-1, Stevenson is 7-3, Bolingbrook is 7-3, New Trier is 5-4, Barrington is 5-4, Glenbrook North is 4-5, Evanston is 4-5 and Niles West is 3-6.

With the forfeits, Glenbrook South becomes the new CSL South champions with a 5-0 conference record. The Titans only conference loss was to Maine South this past season.

Maine South Football Penalized By IHSA, Forfeit 9 Wins From 2022 Season - Journal & Topics Media Group

Maine South football is known as one of the best in the state, winning 464 games and six state championships in program history, along with four runner-up finishes over the last 20 seasons. Well, it was 464 wins, but now it is 455 wins after the Illinois High School Association (IHSA) announced...

www.journal-topics.com

That’s another way to be champs.

 

[McCaravan]

Fire up the T-shirt making machine!

 

[BillyTheBuffoon]

I think Saint Pat's was team 257....so fire up the "IHSA PLAYOFF QUALIFIER" Shirts!

 

[ignazio]

MS beat NT in overtime in the final regular season game to eliminate them from the playoffs only to be declared the loser five months later.

 

[Panthers1211]

And all they get is a slap on the wrist

 

[AmbroseBlack]

 

[ClownBaby]

I’ll be interested to see if this takes a bite out of Maine South’s program going forward? Per the article it was multiple players so it makes me tend to believe it was known that this could be done and the kids that will do it are usually good players. With this no longer are option where do they find those multiple players at now?

 

[redmen85]

Maine South Astros will be viewed through a different lens moving forward

 

[ignazio]

I’ll be interested to see if this takes a bite out of Maine South’s program going forward? Per the article it was multiple players so it makes me tend to believe it was known that this could be done and the kids that will do it are usually good players. With this no longer are option where do they find those multiple players at now?

We know that one has decided to seek a quality Catholic education right now.

 

[ChiTown Chuggers]

I’ll be interested to see if this takes a bite out of Maine South’s program going forward? Per the article it was multiple players so it makes me tend to believe it was known that this could be done and the kids that will do it are usually good players. With this no longer are option where do they find those multiple players at now?

MSFB is embarrassed, frustrated and moving forward with changes to ensure a situation like this where these 2 student-athletes that were caught in a 500+ student investigation across 3 high schools doesn’t happen again. Ultimately, MSFB competitiveness will not be diminished in the slightest - hometown kids won the games. But it will be very painful for ALL of us for a long while as we work to clean up this mess.

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

MSFB is embarrassed, frustrated and moving forward with changes to ensure a situation like this where these 2 student-athletes that were caught in a 500+ student investigation across 3 high schools doesn’t happen again. Ultimately, MSFB competitiveness will not be diminished in the slightest - hometown kids won the games. But it will be very painful for ALL of us for a long while as we work to clean up this mess.

This reads as if MS is blaming these kids for transferring in? How could the Principal not know? This is really dirty.

 

[ChiTown Chuggers]

This reads as if MS is blaming these kids for transferring in? How could the Principal not know? This is really dirty.

Not sure how you got that and I definitely don’t speak for MS - just had a few boys play there over the years. Hypothetically if an athlete transfers from 50 miles away and doesn’t live there or complete the required paperwork right, I would absolutely blame the student-athletes parents. And anyone who encouraged that behavior. Kids transfer to good schools all the time, so not guilty until proven guilty IMO.

 

[guerinfbfan]

I think Saint Pat's was team 257....so fire up the "IHSA PLAYOFF QUALIFIER" Shirts!

I assume banners will be hung at Belmont & Austin by the end of the week 😉

 

[eagles2k3]

Not sure how you got that and I definitely don’t speak for MS - just had a few boys play there over the years. Hypothetically if an athlete transfers from 50 miles away and doesn’t live there or complete the required paperwork right, I would absolutely blame the student-athletes parents. And anyone who encouraged that behavior. Kids transfer to good schools all the time, so not guilty until proven guilty IMO.

You have this wrong. The receiving school completes the paperwork. Maine South principal and AD have to sign off on receiving a transfer and send paper work to previous school. They also have to check residency. The family just has to register and provide proof of residency. Something very fishy here.

 

[ChiTown Chuggers]

You have this wrong. The receiving school completes the paperwork. Maine South principal and AD have to sign off on receiving a transfer and send paper work to previous school. They also have to check residency. The family just has to register and provide proof of residency. Something very fishy here.

Ok. That makes sense to me. Then not sure why those two officials were not referenced at all - except here - despite an enormous amount of press coverage. Maybe FOIA-based investigations by journalists will clear up these key details of who did what when. Regardless, horrible situation

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

Not sure how you got that and I definitely don’t speak for MS - just had a few boys play there over the years. Hypothetically if an athlete transfers from 50 miles away and doesn’t live there or complete the required paperwork right, I would absolutely blame the student-athletes parents. And anyone who encouraged that behavior. Kids transfer to good schools all the time, so not guilty until proven guilty IMO.

"Principal's Concurrence Form."

 

[Panthers1211]

This reads as if MS is blaming these kids for transferring in? How could the Principal not know? This is really dirty.

They knew!!!

 

[corey90]

They knew!!!

Yeah they did. It’s funny how gullible people can be. The principal, AD and even the coach most likely knew. If you’re a coach you know your players and you know where they live.
All that said I like MS, its a black eye but they are a strong program and will rebound.
This does make me question how long has this been going on before they were caught?

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

Yeah they did. It’s funny how gullible people can be. The principal, AD and even the coach most likely knew. If you’re a coach you know your players and you know where they live.
All that said I like MS, its a black eye but they are a strong program and will rebound.
This does make me question how long has this been going on before they were caught?

Maine South has had several issues since 2006:

1) Auschwitz quote on t-shirts caused Head Coach to be suspended,
2) Illegal QB camps in off-season with beloved OC,
3) Illegal sideline passes in state series,
4) Telling IHSA disrector to "f-off" on stage at championship trophy presentation which led to firing of legendary assistant coach and suspension for the same head coach,
5) This week's news,
6) Recruiting kids from Maine East & West for decades,
7) 'Transfers' from Homewood-Flossmoor,

The list goes on. Great program. Do they need all of this?

 

[King MJ]

Yeah they did. It’s funny how gullible people can be. The principal, AD and even the coach most likely knew. If you’re a coach you know your players and you know where they live.
All that said I like MS, its a black eye but they are a strong program and will rebound.
This does make me question how long has this been going on before they were caught?

To give the prinicipal a little benefit of the doubt. There is a decent sized area in Park Ridge (about 50 blocks-- 3 block in either direction off Greenwood Ave) which sits in Maine East boundary, however, some houses are grandfathered into the Maine South district). When you buy a house which was previously in district, you need to decide immediately which district you wish to be placed in).

While I agree the coaches and players should absolutely have known (like Assoc Principal too), in this district it is a little more complicated than simply looking at a map.

 

[stl705]

I just don’t like the hardline finger-pointing blaming of the families.

 

[sporthog9er]

So question - I am familiar with the paperwork needed for residency. In most cases, families have to provide documentation (bills, deeds, etc) with the address. If families are producing these documents to administration, and they appear to be perfectly legal documents with correct addresses...at what point are we expecting the school to actively double check? Are we expecting admins to start following kids home? Hiring an outside agency to check? (which some schools do, I'm aware)..I fully agree that in cases like this, "word" gets around...but where do we draw the line on what resources we expect the school to use to prove residency. Is it at the point now that proof of paperwork is never enough? Go knock on door for every single athlete? Honest questions.

 

[ChiTown Chuggers]

Maine South has had several issues since 2006:

1) Auschwitz quote on t-shirts caused Head Coach to be suspended,
2) Illegal QB camps in off-season with beloved OC,
3) Illegal sideline passes in state series,
4) Telling IHSA disrector to "f-off" on stage at championship trophy presentation which led to firing of legendary assistant coach and suspension for the same head coach,
5) This week's news,
6) Recruiting kids from Maine East & West for decades,
7) 'Transfers' from Homewood-Flossmoor,

The list goes on. Great program. Do they need all of this?

I realize that South Elgin had a great culture from when we came out there during this past season’s playoffs. MS community wins way more than its share. They’ve made mistakes. We have a football crazy town from youth on up - resulting in part from 6 championships and 4 runner ups on the backs of hometown kids and phenomenal coaches. I know the Coach and Administration want to fix what’s broken and self-reported as fast as they can, and we fully support them. Good luck this Fall!

 

[corey90]

To give the prinicipal a little benefit of the doubt. There is a decent sized area in Park Ridge (about 50 blocks-- 3 block in either direction off Greenwood Ave) which sits in Maine East boundary, however, some houses are grandfathered into the Maine South district). When you buy a house which was previously in district, you need to decide immediately which district you wish to be placed in).

While I agree the coaches and players should absolutely have known (like Assoc Principal too), in this district it is a little more complicated than simply looking at a map.

I don’t agree. The principal knows the district and school zones. I don’t believe for one minute he doesn’t. Excuses are trying to be made but if they don’t know the geographical area of their school then they shouldn’t be the principal, AD or coach. Just like the other poster said this isn’t the first infraction. They should be crossing the T,s and dotting there I,s! during admission.

 

[corey90]

So question - I am familiar with the paperwork needed for residency. In most cases, families have to provide documentation (bills, deeds, etc) with the address. If families are producing these documents to administration, and they appear to be perfectly legal documents with correct addresses...at what point are we expecting the school to actively double check? Are we expecting admins to start following kids home? Hiring an outside agency to check? (which some schools do, I'm aware)..I fully agree that in cases like this, "word" gets around...but where do we draw the line on what resources we expect the school to use to prove residency. Is it at the point now that proof of paperwork is never enough? Go knock on door for every single athlete? Honest questions.

Yes
You do what you have to do to protect the school and the rest of the team/players interests. Being stupid or acting naive is not an excuse to penalize the rest of the team for something they had no control over.

 

[Bwm57]

That’s another way to be champs.

Perhaps the right way?

 

[corey90]

Perhaps the right way?

It’s not the way I would want to win a title, but it’s the right thing to do. It’s a shame that it came to this.

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

I realize that South Elgin had a great culture from when we came out there during this past season’s playoffs. MS community wins way more than its share. They’ve made mistakes. We have a football crazy town from youth on up - resulting in part from 6 championships and 4 runner ups on the backs of hometown kids and phenomenal coaches. I know the Coach and Administration want to fix what’s broken and self-reported as fast as they can, and we fully support them. Good luck this Fall!

Great reply. This could happen to any school, if kids 'move in' and don't actually live there, etc. The issue is twofold; multiple concerns with one school, and another slap on the wrist from the IHSA. Hopefully the new coach at MS does things right.

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

I don’t agree. The principal knows the district and school zones. I don’t believe for one minute he doesn’t. Excuses are trying to be made but if they don’t know the geographical area of their school then they shouldn’t be the principal, AD or coach. Just like the other poster said this isn’t the first infraction. They should be crossing the T,s and dotting there I,s! during admission.

It's hard to catch EVERY student, but if 'new' Division I recruits show up...double check? The regular D-III kid rarely makes news.

 

[corey90]

Great reply. This could happen to any school, if kids 'move in' and don't actually live there, etc. The issue is twofold; multiple concerns with one school, and another slap on the wrist from the IHSA. Hopefully the new coach at MS does things right.

It’s not a new coach and to me that’s why I am so shocked

 

[corey90]

People on here know I am a huge LWE supporter. If this was LWE I would feel the same way!! No excuses and I would be pissed off wanting heads that fall. I love winning but I can’t stand is cheating. I don’t care if its public or privates I hate cheaters. High school is in my book held to a higher standard because it really doesn’t mean anything. My god it’s high school. It’s not about money it might be about a job or a legacy but certainly not about money.
I guess I am old but at some point morals have to sink in.

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

It’s not a new coach and to me that’s why I am so shocked

There will, most likely, be a new coach. He's already retiring from teaching and this is UGLY.

 

[corey90]

MS
You’re a straight shooter and I know you have morals. It doesn’t look good since Maine South tried to get a head of this but it’s the aftermath, the damage has been done. I am going to wait for you response before saying another thing in this thread.

 

[ignazio]

Are we going to review the King’s Challenge in light of these forfeits?

 

[ramblinman]

I don’t agree. The principal knows the district and school zones. I don’t believe for one minute he doesn’t. Excuses are trying to be made but if they don’t know the geographical area of their school then they shouldn’t be the principal, AD or coach. Just like the other poster said this isn’t the first infraction. They should be crossing the T,s and dotting there I,s! during admission.

I wonder about that, corey.

Might verifying residency be a district function and not a school function?

 

[eagles2k3]

I wonder about that, corey.

Might verifying residency be a district function and not a school function?

It's a school function. Generally someone out of the registrars office.

 

[ChiTown Chuggers]

It's a school function. Generally someone out of the registrars office.

As the Journal & Topics newspaper recently reported on this story, “For the last 10 years, Dist. 207 has subscribed to a service named Clear that helps in identifying students who do not live within the district or schools they attend. According to Supt. Ken Wallace, Clear focuses on information that is available to the public like property tax and utility bill records to help identify violations. Their efforts raise a red flag for the district in identifying students who are in violation of the rules.”

Rumor has it that one of the 2 athletes weren’t using their utilities.

 

[ignazio]

Rumor has it that one of the 2 athletes weren’t using their utilities.

High school kids not blowing the budget on utilities is highly suspicious.

 

[mc140]

Looks like MC comes out a winner at Maine South expense.