Carl Reed: Wrestling Does NOT Help Football Players
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Strongly disagree is not strong enough of a word. Ask Warren's Aaron Stewart. Heavyweight wrestling is a different animal. You can't wrestle the same as a heavy as you can as a middleweight. Lot of it is quickness, balance and brute strength and of course conditioning. If they don't think balance and conditioning helps a football player then I I don't know what does. Football players who are legit wrestlers also have outstanding footwork
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I believe Coach Reed has never wrestled.
The mental toughness developed through wrestling benefits all athletes regardless of sport or body type.
The mental toughness developed through wrestling benefits all athletes regardless of sport or body type.
Exclude the heavyweights is how he started his argument...
That argument makes more sense. A 160lb db probably not getting better at fb simply by being a wrestler. Now if he's talking about wrestlers who are ol/dl types, it def helps
Agree it still doesn’t hurt a LB or RB. Balance and footwork, conditioning hand strength for tackling. Wrestling may not change every player but it certainly doesn’t hurt any.
Being a well rounded athlete ALWAYS makes you better at football and/or any other sport. Most NFL athletes were multi sport through high school
First thing I noticed. Why would I exclude heavyweights though 🤔
It is like stating speed training is over rated if you exclude DBs, WRs and RBs.
Dan Gable once said “Once you’ve wrestled, everything else in life is easy”.
So true!
So true!
Right. Im talking about wrestling specifically. Very little about that translates for certain positions. No more than playing soccer or baseball for example. I could see though how wrestling would provide alot of football related advantages for ol/dl
Playing Baseball, soccer, hockey can all improve those skills. The question i believe reed was answering was if a football parent wanted to sign there kid up for a second sport, wrestling isn't the only option.
This.
I've always thought that wrestling and football pair so well together. Football is the ultimate team sport. Wrestling is the ultimate individual sport. The mental toughness it takes to go out there on the mat and have no help, and more importantly, no one to rely to bail you out...except yourself, translates so well to football. There aren't too many football coaches out there that don't love kids who can bounce back immediately after getting beat with no excuses.
That guy is an idiot, and this one comes from the hot take sit back and say something stupid department cause even negative attention. There is a reason why he currently is not a coach.
I would rather kids do any ither sport im the offseason then those stupid 7 on 7 tournaments one day camps, and showcases.
I remember when college coaches who offer a scholarship after a wrestling match or basketball game .
Again he is an idiot.
I would rather kids do any ither sport im the offseason then those stupid 7 on 7 tournaments one day camps, and showcases.
I remember when college coaches who offer a scholarship after a wrestling match or basketball game .
Again he is an idiot.
Lol and what do you think that reason is. Carl Reed was a really good HS coach.
All sports make all athletes better at all sports.
Wrestling - leverage, quick twitch, physical and mental toughness
Track - Speed, agility, footwork
Baseball - mental toughness/zoning in, take off speed, hand/eye coordination
Basketball - footwork, speed, lateral movement,
All of these sports help all the other sports. If you look at some of the successful small schools in football, you will almost always see them being competitive in other sports as well. Tri Valley (Football, Basketball), Nashville (football, basketball, wrestling), Monticello (football, basketball, track), Wilmington (football, baseball, wrestling), Coal City (Football, baseball, wrestling), Maroa (football, track, baseball), DePec (Football, Pecatonica Basketball), Bismarck-Henning (Football, basketball), Williamsville (football, basketball), Tolono (football, basketball, track), to name a few.
My guess, you see the same names of kids across all sports in these schools.
Wrestling - leverage, quick twitch, physical and mental toughness
Track - Speed, agility, footwork
Baseball - mental toughness/zoning in, take off speed, hand/eye coordination
Basketball - footwork, speed, lateral movement,
All of these sports help all the other sports. If you look at some of the successful small schools in football, you will almost always see them being competitive in other sports as well. Tri Valley (Football, Basketball), Nashville (football, basketball, wrestling), Monticello (football, basketball, track), Wilmington (football, baseball, wrestling), Coal City (Football, baseball, wrestling), Maroa (football, track, baseball), DePec (Football, Pecatonica Basketball), Bismarck-Henning (Football, basketball), Williamsville (football, basketball), Tolono (football, basketball, track), to name a few.
My guess, you see the same names of kids across all sports in these schools.
I wrestled in high school and when I coached, I loved when my linemen wrestled. So yes, wrestling benefits linemen, but that's my opinion.
I think Coach Reed could have worded his statement better because the point I think he was trying to make is wrestling may have its advantages for linemen. Still, it's carryover is limited when it comes to other positions.
If you told your average high school coach he had to recruit skill players from another team in his building, do you think his first stop is the wrestling room?
Anecdotally, Gable Steveson is one of the most dominant wrestlers ever and that was not enough for him to make an NFL team. Stephen Neal was a two-time NCAA and world champion wrestler. He had a long NFL but average career. Antonio Gates played basketball at Kent State, then went on to have a hall of fame NFL career.
I mean, I have watched basketball, baseball, track and field, and even soccer games and wonder how some of the athletes would look on a football field. I never watched a 155 wrestling match and said I bet that guy would be a great CB.
I think Coach Reed could have worded his statement better because the point I think he was trying to make is wrestling may have its advantages for linemen. Still, it's carryover is limited when it comes to other positions.
If you told your average high school coach he had to recruit skill players from another team in his building, do you think his first stop is the wrestling room?
Anecdotally, Gable Steveson is one of the most dominant wrestlers ever and that was not enough for him to make an NFL team. Stephen Neal was a two-time NCAA and world champion wrestler. He had a long NFL but average career. Antonio Gates played basketball at Kent State, then went on to have a hall of fame NFL career.
I mean, I have watched basketball, baseball, track and field, and even soccer games and wonder how some of the athletes would look on a football field. I never watched a 155 wrestling match and said I bet that guy would be a great CB.
IMO, a huge factor in 2nd/3rd sport decisions is the compatibility with the player's primary program. It is helpful to have alignments in terms of accountability, organization, safety, competitiveness, grade focus and the like. Ideally, a coach or two shared by the programs can be helpful in monitoring consistencies. Encouraging a kid into a multi-month commitment to another sport should include some expectation of a positive all-around experience.
I think WWS once had a 155# DT who was a wrassler. Somehow that team beat MC like a drum if I'm remembering the year correctly. @ClownBaby will have to confirm
Also LWE had a 150# LB who wrassled, was the kid that injured the 🐐 Aaron Bailey which was the reason we didn't win it all in 2012.
Obvious exceptions to the rule
Was thinking about that guy from WWS, If I recall was not very tall either but was a beast
Absolutely, the kid needs to see how it will make them better and help them. A 2nd or 3rd sport isn't universally beneficial to all athletes and for those as long as there is a quality weight/speed/agility training in place, they aren't losing that opportunity to get better. At smaller schools, they may not have the resources for the top notch weights/speed/agility so the best option to get betters is to just play.
