1.65x dropping from most schools?

[godfthr53]

So I was just reading the IHSA site and came across the 2 year window that is now in place for classification. Upon reading I came to the following clause.

1. A program will be multiplied if it wins a state tournament trophy in either year of the two-year window (2017-18 or 2018-19).
2. Otherwise, a program will be multiplied if:
a. In football only, during the two-year window, it wins three games in the IHSA football playoff series.

There are SO many schools that are getting multiplied now that haven't won 3 playoff games within 2 year period. This is going to cause chaos in the public schools

 

[SiuCubFan8]

From Soucie’s twitter....

The following 15 FB schools will have a multiplier or success formula applied to them: Brother Rice, Marist, Chi. Mt. Carmel, St. Teresa, IC Catholic, JCA, Bishop McNamara, Nazareth, Benet, Montini, Providence, Niles Notre Dame, SHG, Newman CC, Loyola. That's it.

 

[godfthr53]

How did this get past the public schools votes.

 

[MR. "T"]

How did this get past the public schools votes.

Yeah how did that happen!

 

[MR. "T"]

So I was just reading the IHSA site and came across the 2 year window that is now in place for classification. Upon reading I came to the following clause.

1. A program will be multiplied if it wins a state tournament trophy in either year of the two-year window (2017-18 or 2018-19).
2. Otherwise, a program will be multiplied if:
a. In football only, during the two-year window, it wins three games in the IHSA football playoff series.

There are SO many schools that are getting multiplied now that haven't won 3 playoff games within 2 year period. This is going to cause chaos in the public schools

So let me see if I got this right, if a non boundaried school loses in the quarterfinals and the following year they lose in the second round then they will be multiplied the third year? Or does it have to make it to the semifinal game in any given year, which means 3 consecutive wins in playoff series, to be multiplied?

 

[godfthr53]

So let me see if I got this right, if a non boundaried school loses in the quarterfinals and the following year they lose in the second round then they will be multiplied the third year? Or does it have to make it to the semifinal game in any given year, which means 3 consecutive wins in playoff series, to be multiplied?

3 total playoff wins over 2 years

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Did the private’s know about this change before voting on the districts proposal? If so, they definitely would have voted for districts. Think about a Fenwick or St Rita who will have no multiplier at all. If they stay in conference they may struggle to get playoff eligibile some years though if they could get eligible with no multiplier once in the playoffs they would be playing significantly smaller schools than they have been. Districting would allow them to play these smaller (not smaller than them just smaller than they are used to playing) schools during the regular season thus helping them become playoff eligible. If they didn’t know about this, they would have assumed they would be in a 7a district and thus may have just preferred to stay with conferences so they could pick up some wins against the Leo’s and St Joe’s of the world along the way to 5 or 6 wins.

This would put Fenwick/Rita in 5a playoffs and district if districts came I think. And this will drop Wheaton St. Francis to what 3a???

The larger public’s won’t gripe they will be losing some playoff competition if anyone’s going to have a huge complaint it will be the smaller public’s who will be gaining a lot of private competition that they didn’t use to have as larger private’s drop down.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Saint Rita likely 5A.
Saint Francis likely 4A.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Saint Rita likely 5A.
Saint Francis likely 4A.

It would make my head explode trying to figure it out so I won’t but you have to figure with certain teams changing classes from where they normally are that it will likely start pushing teams up and down and cause a shift in the historic enrollment lines in classes. So a Simeon who barely pushed down to 7a may have stayed in 8a if a private in 8a dropped down due to no multiplier.

 

[mc140]

This is just a setup to get the schools separate down the line. IHSA is playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

From Soucie’s Twitter......

Teams that have won at least one playoff game in the last 2 years and likely new class:

Aurora Christian (1A), Marmion (5A), Althoff (2A), Bloomington CC (2A), St. Laurence (5A), Hope (1A), St. Rita (5A), Chi. Christian (2A), Boylan (5A), St. Francis (4A), Woodstock Marian (4A).

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

From Soucie’s Twitter......

Teams that have won at least one playoff game in the last 2 years and likely new class:

Aurora Christian (1A), Marmion (5A), Althoff (2A), Bloomington CC (2A), St. Laurence (5A), Hope (1A), St. Rita (5A), Chi. Christian (2A), Boylan (5A), St. Francis (4A), Woodstock Marian (4A).

So these 11 plus the 15 with a multiplier is ONLY 26 private school in the entire state that have won a single playoff game or better in 2 years. I bet most people wouldn’t have believed that. There is so much hype about the private school advantage and focus on a few elites like Loyola or Nazareth or ICCP that it overshadows the larger picture.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

This is just a setup to get the schools separate down the line. IHSA is playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers.

I get your sentiment but while a few schools and people here and there want separation because they have nothing to lose and only to gain in their minds the IHSA as an organization doesn’t want separation.... they would lose all private members and any funds and revenue from the private’s. There wouldn’t be private school divisions of the IHSA the private’s would have their own separate state association of private schools. And it would be all sports not just football.

 

[epicbret]

Private Sweeeeeeeeeeeep in 2019 baby!!!

The Tribe is back!!!

 

[mc140]

I get your sentiment but while a few schools and people here and there want separation because they have nothing to lose and only to gain in their minds the IHSA as an organization doesn’t want separation.... they would lose all private members and any funds and revenue from the private’s. There wouldn’t be private school divisions of the IHSA the private’s would have their own separate state association of private schools. And it would be all sports not just football.

They would not lose all members. Private schools do not play nicely with each other.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

They would not lose all members. Private schools do not play nicely with each other.

Oh, so 10 private’s are going to stay behind in the IHSA and play a round robin amongst themselves only.... in every sport.... sure.

 

[pjjp]

This would put Fenwick/Rita in 5a playoffs and district if districts came I think.

MC63 is not going to be happy about this.

 

[corey90]

I say they get rid of the multiplier for private’s. Get rid of the boundaries for all schools including public. Play schools regardless public or private in the 1-8 class based on their enrollment.
Let’s see if the playing field would be leveled.
I would also say No high school player could transfer schools with out sitting out 3 years with exception of kids moving in from another state.

 

[mc140]

Oh, so 10 private’s are going to stay behind in the IHSA and play a round robin amongst themselves only.... in every sport.... sure.

I don't think you would have more than 10 leave considering the finances that would be needed to compete compared to what is already needed.

 

[Spartanalum13]

So these 11 plus the 15 with a multiplier is ONLY 26 private school in the entire state that have won a single playoff game or better in 2 years. I bet most people wouldn’t have believed that. There is so much hype about the private school advantage and focus on a few elites like Loyola or Nazareth or ICCP that it overshadows the larger picture.

Exactly. Most non boundary schools get penalized because of 10-15 programs.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

I don't think you would have more than 10 leave considering the finances that would be needed to compete compared to what is already needed.

It would simply be a consortium of the private conferences. Take a rep from each and keep doing your thing in conference the only thing significant that that the new association would have to do is schedule state playoff series for the sports. If they want they can tweak rules from what they are at the IHSA to meet their specific needs as a private only organization. It’s not that hard man.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

It would simply be a consortium of the private conferences. Take a rep from each and keep doing your thing in conference the only thing significant that that the new association would have to do is schedule state playoff series for the sports. If they want they can tweak rules from what they are at the IHSA to meet their specific needs as a private only organization. It’s not that hard man.

The schools like Boylan that are a private in a public conference can either find other newly orphaned private’s to start a conference with, join a private conference even if it requires some travel like Bishop Mac and Marian central do, or compete as independent (if they can manage to pull it off) until state series time. That same issue would have to be figured out even if teams stayed with IHSA and were segregated.

 

[mc140]

It would simply be a consortium of the private conferences. Take a rep from each and keep doing your thing in conference the only thing significant that that the new association would have to do is schedule state playoff series for the sports. If they want they can tweak rules from what they are at the IHSA to meet their specific needs as a private only organization. It’s not that hard man.

Much more complicated than you make it. What are going to be the rules on scholarships, transfers, alums paying the tuition of athletes?

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Much more complicated than you make it. What are going to be the rules on scholarships, transfers, alums paying the tuition of athletes?

That was what I was referencing when I said tweak the rules from the IHSA as desired to fit their private school needs. It would be part of the organizations constitution and by-laws when being established.

And it may not be as simplistic as I summed it up but it’s not the nightmare that you propose. It’s really not relevant anyway... don’t see it happening any time in the foreseeable future.

 

[Wittymoniker1]

If this is true, I'll be damn. Does anyone know where Montini will be next year? 5a?

 

[SiuCubFan8]

If this is true, I'll be damn. Does anyone know where Montini will be next year? 5a?

It’s true.

 

[Wittymoniker1]

I will be honest, I do not know much about 5a other than JCA and Bronco. Somehow this scenario may play out: Rita gets into 5a playoffs, but must play Bronco or JCA in early rounds. Let me guess: 5a is set up geographically? LOL!

 

[JCHillmen]

I will be honest, I do not know much about 5a other than JCA and Bronco. Somehow this scenario may play out: Rita gets into 5a playoffs, but must play Bronco or JCA in early rounds. Let me guess: 5a is set up geographically? LOL!

So if this lasts longer term, if JC or montini hypothetically have a playoff win drought over the next few years, they could be 4a in 2021? Wow.

What was wrong with football enrollment a decade ago?

 

[McCaravan]

Rita will petition to move up, I can’t see them wanting to play in anything less then 6A. Even though they would possibly have great success in 5A, this plus moving out of the blue, the other schools would use this as an advantage to recruit against them in this cutthroat business.....I know Rita used MC moving to the Green to their advantage a couple years ago. I don’t see 5A happening.

 

[crusader_of_90]

Althoff in 2A?

Hehehehehe

 

[mchsalumni]

This is just a setup to get the schools separate down the line. IHSA is playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers.

^^this^^

 

[CCHS-Fan]

Where's Bones?

 

[Gene K.]

Too busy working a part time job to pay off his debt!

 

[godfthr53]

Too busy working a part time job to pay off his debt!

I thought that was him on the Weber Road Off ramp

 

[Cross Bones]

I don't know what the IHSA is trying to do. Hell, I agreed with private supporters that the multiplier was arbitrary. Will be interesting to see how this affects these awful districts.

 

[refref01]

The awesome part will be for a team that is not multiplied for the first year in the district arena...the Brother Rice team from this year would not have been multiplied and played in a district of teams that would never agree to play them..same with Rita going forward and ..that will get interesting.

 

[tomloner]

The awesome part will be for a team that is not multiplied for the first year in the district arena...the Brother Rice team from this year would not have been multiplied and played in a district of teams that would never agree to play them..same with Rita going forward and ..that will get interesting.

If the IHSA did away with the multiplier and petitioning to play up the publics would win 7A & 8A every year.

 

[Spartanalum13]

If the IHSA did away with the multiplier and petitioning to play up the publics would win 7A & 8A every year.

Loyola????

 

[stonedlizard]

This, success factor changes every other year, now districts...this is what happens when the blind follow the blind.

How the IHSA can pass bylaws based on "theory" or without fully baked details and impact analysis is beyond me. How high school admins and principals can vote on them without the same is even more infuriating.

We live in a data driven world and the IHSA is ran on hunches and inference.

 

[CCLGUY1964]

Loyola????

Yea Loyola would only drop to 7A