Tom Brady

[Guido Sarducci]

I didn’t consider him great when he played and I was in the dark.
Good yes, but not great.
Same as I saw Bob Griese, Jaworksi ...

Copy and pasted directly from Wikipedia.

"Elway played college football at Stanford and his entire 16-year professional career with the Denver Broncos. At the time of his retirement in early 1999, Elway recorded the most victories by a starting quarterback and statistically was the second most prolific passer in NFL history. He was also a prolific rusher of the ball, being one of only two players ever to score a rushing touchdown in four different Super Bowls (the other being Thurman Thomas) and the only quarterback to do so.[1][2]

Elway set several career records for passing attempts and completions while at Stanford and also received All-American honors. He was the first selection in the 1983 NFL Draft, famously known as the quarterback class of 1983, where he was taken by the Baltimore Colts before being traded to the Denver Broncos. In January 1987, Elway embarked on one of the most notable performances in sports and in NFL history, helping engineer a 98-yard, game-tying touchdown drive in the AFC Championship Game against the Cleveland Browns. The moment is known in National Football League lore as "The Drive." Following that game in Cleveland, Elway and the Broncos lost in Super Bowl XXI to the New York Giants.

After two more Super Bowl losses, the Broncos entered a period of decline; however, that ended during the 1997 season, as Elway and Denver won their first Super Bowl title by defeating the Green Bay Packers 31–24 in Super Bowl XXXII. The Broncos repeated as champions the following season in Super Bowl XXXIII by defeating the Atlanta Falcons 34–19. Elway was voted MVP of that Super Bowl, which was the last game of his career, and in doing so Elway set a then-record five Super Bowl starts which was broken in February 2015 when Tom Brady of the New England Patriots started Super Bowl XLIX. As Denver's quarterback, Elway led his teams to six AFC Championship Games and five Super Bowls, winning two. After his retirement as a player, he served as general manager and executive vice president of football operations of the Broncos, which won four division titles, two AFC Championships, and Super Bowl 50 during his tenure.

Elway was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2004 in his first year of eligibility and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2000."

This is the resume of someone you find "good but not great". Possibly second in NFL history only to Brady himself, easily top 5 in the history of NFL Quarterbacks. How in the hell are Griese and Jaworski's resumes even in this stratosphere? That's just crazy talk.

 

[penlight]

Copy and pasted directly from Wikipedia.

"Elway played college football at Stanford and his entire 16-year professional career with the Denver Broncos. At the time of his retirement in early 1999, Elway recorded the most victories by a starting quarterback and statistically was the second most prolific passer in NFL history. He was also a prolific rusher of the ball, being one of only two players ever to score a rushing touchdown in four different Super Bowls (the other being Thurman Thomas) and the only quarterback to do so.[1][2]

Elway set several career records for passing attempts and completions while at Stanford and also received All-American honors. He was the first selection in the 1983 NFL Draft, famously known as the quarterback class of 1983, where he was taken by the Baltimore Colts before being traded to the Denver Broncos. In January 1987, Elway embarked on one of the most notable performances in sports and in NFL history, helping engineer a 98-yard, game-tying touchdown drive in the AFC Championship Game against the Cleveland Browns. The moment is known in National Football League lore as "The Drive." Following that game in Cleveland, Elway and the Broncos lost in Super Bowl XXI to the New York Giants.

After two more Super Bowl losses, the Broncos entered a period of decline; however, that ended during the 1997 season, as Elway and Denver won their first Super Bowl title by defeating the Green Bay Packers 31–24 in Super Bowl XXXII. The Broncos repeated as champions the following season in Super Bowl XXXIII by defeating the Atlanta Falcons 34–19. Elway was voted MVP of that Super Bowl, which was the last game of his career, and in doing so Elway set a then-record five Super Bowl starts which was broken in February 2015 when Tom Brady of the New England Patriots started Super Bowl XLIX. As Denver's quarterback, Elway led his teams to six AFC Championship Games and five Super Bowls, winning two. After his retirement as a player, he served as general manager and executive vice president of football operations of the Broncos, which won four division titles, two AFC Championships, and Super Bowl 50 during his tenure.

Elway was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2004 in his first year of eligibility and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2000."

This is the resume of someone you find "good but not great". Possibly second in NFL history only to Brady himself, easily top 5 in the history of NFL Quarterbacks. How in the hell are Griese and Jaworski's resumes even in this stratosphere? That's just crazy talk.

Fantasy Football stats and longevity awards.
Jim Kelly should have stuck around longer and really enlivened the discussion.
Bart Starr - Great
Roger Staubach - Great
Terry Bradshaw - Great
Joe Montana - Great
Len Dawson - Good
Bob Griese - Good
Fran Tarkington - Good
Ken Anderson - Good
Ken Stabler - Good
Joe Theismann - Good
Boomer Esiason - Good
Jim Plunkett - Good
Danny White - Good
Jim Kelly - Good
Steve Young - Good
Warren Moon - Good
Brett Favre - Good
Peyton Manning - Good

In the sport’s ultimate game, the Super Bowl in ‘88, he delivered just 13 completions + 3 Interceptions in 34 attempts.
He had all of the hype and the spotlight shining on him. The opportunity for football immortality .... and he took a shit.

Elway as great, that is just crazy talk.

 

[PowerI66]

Fantasy Football stats and longevity awards.
Jim Kelly should have stuck around longer and really enlivened the discussion.
Bart Starr - Great
Roger Staubach - Great
Terry Bradshaw - Great
Joe Montana - Great
Len Dawson - Good
Bob Griese - Good
Fran Tarkington - Good
Ken Anderson - Good
Ken Stabler - Good
Joe Theismann - Good
Boomer Esiason - Good
Jim Plunkett - Good
Danny White - Good
Jim Kelly - Good
Steve Young - Good
Warren Moon - Good
Brett Favre - Good
Peyton Manning - Good

In the sport’s ultimate game, the Super Bowl in ‘88, he delivered just 13 completions + 3 Interceptions in 34 attempts.
He had all of the hype and the spotlight shining on him. The opportunity for football immortality .... and he took a shit.

Elway as great, that is just crazy talk.

Terry Bradshaw GREAT?! The man barely completed over half of his passes! I'm sure you'll say but he played well in the big game. Sure, but he also had phenomenal teams around him.

 

[penlight]

Terry Bradshaw GREAT?! The man barely completed over half of his passes! I'm sure you'll say but he played well in the big game. Sure, but he also had phenomenal teams around him.

I would indeed.
He was a proven winner in big games and had very average Fantasy stats.
Every Super Bowl team has good players.

 

[foosball1]

Copy and pasted directly from Wikipedia.

"Elway played college football at Stanford and his entire 16-year professional career with the Denver Broncos. At the time of his retirement in early 1999, Elway recorded the most victories by a starting quarterback and statistically was the second most prolific passer in NFL history. He was also a prolific rusher of the ball, being one of only two players ever to score a rushing touchdown in four different Super Bowls (the other being Thurman Thomas) and the only quarterback to do so.[1][2]

Elway set several career records for passing attempts and completions while at Stanford and also received All-American honors. He was the first selection in the 1983 NFL Draft, famously known as the quarterback class of 1983, where he was taken by the Baltimore Colts before being traded to the Denver Broncos. In January 1987, Elway embarked on one of the most notable performances in sports and in NFL history, helping engineer a 98-yard, game-tying touchdown drive in the AFC Championship Game against the Cleveland Browns. The moment is known in National Football League lore as "The Drive." Following that game in Cleveland, Elway and the Broncos lost in Super Bowl XXI to the New York Giants.

After two more Super Bowl losses, the Broncos entered a period of decline; however, that ended during the 1997 season, as Elway and Denver won their first Super Bowl title by defeating the Green Bay Packers 31–24 in Super Bowl XXXII. The Broncos repeated as champions the following season in Super Bowl XXXIII by defeating the Atlanta Falcons 34–19. Elway was voted MVP of that Super Bowl, which was the last game of his career, and in doing so Elway set a then-record five Super Bowl starts which was broken in February 2015 when Tom Brady of the New England Patriots started Super Bowl XLIX. As Denver's quarterback, Elway led his teams to six AFC Championship Games and five Super Bowls, winning two. After his retirement as a player, he served as general manager and executive vice president of football operations of the Broncos, which won four division titles, two AFC Championships, and Super Bowl 50 during his tenure.

Elway was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2004 in his first year of eligibility and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2000."

This is the resume of someone you find "good but not great". Possibly second in NFL history only to Brady himself, easily top 5 in the history of NFL Quarterbacks. How in the hell are Griese and Jaworski's resumes even in this stratosphere? That's just crazy talk.

Don't get worked up about it. Anybody that says Elway wasn't great really has no idea what they are talking about. Keep in mind what he accomplished with the garbage he was surrounded with throughout his tenure with the Broncos.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

The 85 Bears D would have Brady for lunch.

Do you mean the way Dan Marino had the 85 Bears D for lunch that year? Like that? In the end, the Bears of the 1980s were a one hit wonder and those guys continue to live off that one hit. San Francisco embarrassed them twice in championship games. Washington eliminated them twice too and won more SBs than the bears as did SF. Hell, the Giants ended up being a better organization.

And finally, let's not forget. Since the Bears had that one hit, they have been to a total of, get ready for it, ONE whole Super Bowl and were embarrassed there. The Patriots, in the meantime, are now going to their 9th since 1986. Nobody cares about the '85 Bears anymore except some of the players trying to re-live the glory days and a bunch of old fans.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

All a matter of opinion.
I chose to not believe the hype or his value as Fantasy Footall asset.

That is a very good point and I agree in general. But Elway did have a ton of comeback wins.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

If the Bears were playing against the 1985 Patriots with Brady as QB, Bears still win.
If the 1985 Bears were playing against the 2017 Patriots, Patriots win hands down. You can't compare different eras. The 85 Bears defensive front four, with the exception of Perry probably averaged less than 265 pounds. Jay Hilginberg 259 pounds, Dan Hampton 264 pounds, Richard Dent 265 pounds, Wm. Perry 335 pounds.
The current Patriots offensive line averages approx 310 pounds. The current Patriot offensive line would manhandle the 85 Bears.

I was going to make this exact point. Agree totally. But, in the end comparing eras doesn't always work.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

Don't get worked up about it. Anybody that says Elway wasn't great really has no idea what they are talking about. Keep in mind what he accomplished with the garbage he was surrounded with throughout his tenure with the Broncos.

Great point and what people don't realize is that Denver didn't have much of a running game when Elway was young and didn't win the SB till they did have a running game. Much like Jordan not winning early in his career then winning when help came along.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

Copy and pasted directly from Wikipedia.

"Elway played college football at Stanford and his entire 16-year professional career with the Denver Broncos. At the time of his retirement in early 1999, Elway recorded the most victories by a starting quarterback and statistically was the second most prolific passer in NFL history. He was also a prolific rusher of the ball, being one of only two players ever to score a rushing touchdown in four different Super Bowls (the other being Thurman Thomas) and the only quarterback to do so.[1][2]

Elway set several career records for passing attempts and completions while at Stanford and also received All-American honors. He was the first selection in the 1983 NFL Draft, famously known as the quarterback class of 1983, where he was taken by the Baltimore Colts before being traded to the Denver Broncos. In January 1987, Elway embarked on one of the most notable performances in sports and in NFL history, helping engineer a 98-yard, game-tying touchdown drive in the AFC Championship Game against the Cleveland Browns. The moment is known in National Football League lore as "The Drive." Following that game in Cleveland, Elway and the Broncos lost in Super Bowl XXI to the New York Giants.

After two more Super Bowl losses, the Broncos entered a period of decline; however, that ended during the 1997 season, as Elway and Denver won their first Super Bowl title by defeating the Green Bay Packers 31–24 in Super Bowl XXXII. The Broncos repeated as champions the following season in Super Bowl XXXIII by defeating the Atlanta Falcons 34–19. Elway was voted MVP of that Super Bowl, which was the last game of his career, and in doing so Elway set a then-record five Super Bowl starts which was broken in February 2015 when Tom Brady of the New England Patriots started Super Bowl XLIX. As Denver's quarterback, Elway led his teams to six AFC Championship Games and five Super Bowls, winning two. After his retirement as a player, he served as general manager and executive vice president of football operations of the Broncos, which won four division titles, two AFC Championships, and Super Bowl 50 during his tenure.

Elway was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2004 in his first year of eligibility and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2000."

This is the resume of someone you find "good but not great". Possibly second in NFL history only to Brady himself, easily top 5 in the history of NFL Quarterbacks. How in the hell are Griese and Jaworski's resumes even in this stratosphere? That's just crazy talk.

My top 3 are Brady, Montana, Elway

 

[DeanOfSelection]

Do you mean the way Dan Marino had the 85 Bears D for lunch that year? Like that? In the end, the Bears of the 1980s were a one hit wonder and those guys continue to live off that one hit. San Francisco embarrassed them twice in championship games. Washington eliminated them twice too and won more SBs than the bears as did SF. Hell, the Giants ended up being a better organization.

And finally, let's not forget. Since the Bears had that one hit, they have been to a total of, get ready for it, ONE whole Super Bowl and were embarrassed there. The Patriots, in the meantime, are now going to their 9th since 1986. Nobody cares about the '85 Bears anymore except some of the players trying to re-live the glory days and a bunch of old fans.

That was when Buddy refused to sub for Wilber Marshall and go nickel. Nat Moore and Marino all over it.

 

[LHSTigers94]

My top 3 are Brady, Montana, Elway

I agree with Brady and Montana. Elway, Rodgers, Manning, Marino are pretty close to me.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

Copy and pasted directly from Wikipedia.

"Elway played college football at Stanford and his entire 16-year professional career with the Denver Broncos. At the time of his retirement in early 1999, Elway recorded the most victories by a starting quarterback and statistically was the second most prolific passer in NFL history. He was also a prolific rusher of the ball, being one of only two players ever to score a rushing touchdown in four different Super Bowls (the other being Thurman Thomas) and the only quarterback to do so.[1][2]

Elway set several career records for passing attempts and completions while at Stanford and also received All-American honors. He was the first selection in the 1983 NFL Draft, famously known as the quarterback class of 1983, where he was taken by the Baltimore Colts before being traded to the Denver Broncos. In January 1987, Elway embarked on one of the most notable performances in sports and in NFL history, helping engineer a 98-yard, game-tying touchdown drive in the AFC Championship Game against the Cleveland Browns. The moment is known in National Football League lore as "The Drive." Following that game in Cleveland, Elway and the Broncos lost in Super Bowl XXI to the New York Giants.

After two more Super Bowl losses, the Broncos entered a period of decline; however, that ended during the 1997 season, as Elway and Denver won their first Super Bowl title by defeating the Green Bay Packers 31–24 in Super Bowl XXXII. The Broncos repeated as champions the following season in Super Bowl XXXIII by defeating the Atlanta Falcons 34–19. Elway was voted MVP of that Super Bowl, which was the last game of his career, and in doing so Elway set a then-record five Super Bowl starts which was broken in February 2015 when Tom Brady of the New England Patriots started Super Bowl XLIX. As Denver's quarterback, Elway led his teams to six AFC Championship Games and five Super Bowls, winning two. After his retirement as a player, he served as general manager and executive vice president of football operations of the Broncos, which won four division titles, two AFC Championships, and Super Bowl 50 during his tenure.

Elway was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2004 in his first year of eligibility and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2000."

This is the resume of someone you find "good but not great". Possibly second in NFL history only to Brady himself, easily top 5 in the history of NFL Quarterbacks. How in the hell are Griese and Jaworski's resumes even in this stratosphere? That's just crazy talk.

That was when Buddy refused to sub for Wilber Marshall and go nickel. Nat Moore and Marino all over it.

That, and the fact the Bears D couldn't get to Marino. What is sometimes overlooked about Marino was his incredible ability to get rid of the football so quickly. As I sit here I can't think of any QBs who got rid of the ball any quicker than Marino and Namath.

I remember before the SB that year thinking about the Bears possibly getting another shot at Miami. But at the same time I really didn't want to see the Bears play them again because Shula was a better coach than Ditka and proved he could beat the Bears.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

What's sad is that in looking at a ranking of the best QBs of all time, there are no Bears QBs in the top 50 who played in my lifetime. And when I was born there wasn't even an AFL yet.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

That, and the fact the Bears D couldn't get to Marino. What is sometimes overlooked about Marino was his incredible ability to get rid of the football so quickly. As I sit here I can't think of any QBs who got rid of the ball any quicker than Marino and Namath.

I remember before the SB that year thinking about the Bears possibly getting another shot at Miami. But at the same time I really didn't want to see the Bears play them again because Shula was a better coach than Ditka and proved he could beat the Bears.

I agree. Would love to have seen a rematch with McMahon in the whole game on a neutral field but at the same time does Ryan change anything up or let Marino do same thing. Would probably have to win a shootout.

 

[penlight]

Just to be an agitator, I thought I would post the link:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/778095-john-elway-why-hes-the-most-overrated-athlete-of-all-time

All in good fun during a gray January.

 

[greatgig13]

Good discussion fellas. I love the passion on this board!

 

[LTHSALUM76]

Just to be an agitator, I thought I would post the link:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/778095-john-elway-why-hes-the-most-overrated-athlete-of-all-time

All in good fun during a gray January.

If you really want to talk about QBs who may be a little or a lot overrated I would throw Joe Namath in there. Yes he passed for 4,000 yards one year when it wasn't being done. And yes he was the MVP of SB III and beat the most heavily favored team in SB history. But the fact is, if they didn't have Matt Snell they don't beat the Colts. Personally I thought Snell should have been MVP. But he was "Broadway Joe."

But his career completion pct. is 50.1%. He threw 173 TDs but also threw 220 Interceptions. His career record was 62-63-4. He threw 20 or more interceptions in a season 5 times. And he threw 20 or more TDs only twice. Are these really Hall of Fame numbers?

I realize you're talking about Elway. But this puts overrated QBs in a little more perspective.

 

[penlight]

If you really want to talk about QBs who may be a little or a lot overrated I would throw Joe Namath in there. Yes he passed for 4,000 yards one year when it wasn't being done. And yes he was the MVP of SB III and beat the most heavily favored team in SB history. But the fact is, if they didn't have Matt Snell they don't beat the Colts. Personally I thought Snell should have been MVP. But he was "Broadway Joe."

But his career completion pct. is 50.1%. He threw 173 TDs but also threw 220 Interceptions. His career record was 62-63-4. He threw 20 or more interceptions in a season 5 times. And he threw 20 or more TDs only twice. Are these really Hall of Fame numbers?

I realize you're talking about Elway. But this puts overrated QBs in a little more perspective.

Notice I listed what in my opinion were Great and Good (w/ Elway good), but did not tread into Serviceable where I think Namath ranks, and Hosteler, Cunningham, etc.

I was remiss in not putting Warner on my list of Good.

 

[Hinterland]

I was also impressed by the Patriot receivers working hard to get open. The difference in the game was definitely Brady, but you do not complete the passes unless you have a target. I also think that New England's ability to shut down the Jags' running game was a big factor. This gave the Patriots the ability to get Brady back on the field rather than standing on the sidelines while Jacksonville chewed up time staying on the ground with their runners.

 

[Wassup13]

So everyone was saying this Eagle defense was so great.

Well I don' see it, the defense line is putting no pressure on Brady at all. The Eagle defense is pathetic.

Maybe they should show the Eagles video tape of the 85 Bears so they can see how it's done.

 

[Wassup13]

Michael Jordan would never have fumbled!

-Michael Wilbon

 

[crusader_of_90]

Nick Foles looks like he is inbred.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Nick Foles looks like he is inbred.

But he now has a ring!! Free plastic surgery from any doc in Philly (just wait a few days as I’m sure none of the docs and dentists in Philly will be at the top of their game on Monday)

 

[epicbret]

Marino had a nice day vs them

Marino spread them out and destroyed that defense. Great point.

 

[epicbret]

My top 3 are Brady, Montana, Elway

Top 6 I have:

Brady
Montana
Manning
Favre
Elway
Rodgers

3-6 are fluid

 

[LTHSALUM76]

Nick Foles looks like he is inbred.

Geez, I don't think Foles looks that bad.

And besides, when it come to ugly, Foles doesn't hold a candle to Derek Carr and Andrew Luck.

 

[mchsalumni]

I don't know about the best, but Brady is definitely near the top. How do you argue with Joe Montana? 4-0 in the big game is pretty impressive...

 

[vinuci31]

Geez, I don't think Foles looks that bad.

And besides, when it come to ugly, Foles doesn't hold a candle to Derek Carr and Andrew Luck.

Casting my vote for Jim Plunkett being the ugliest Super Bowl winning QB

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

I don't know about the best, but Brady is definitely near the top. How do you argue with Joe Montana? 4-0 in the big game is pretty impressive...

Most ridiculous argument ever! So a guy who is 1-0 and undefeated in Super Bowls is better than Brady too? I bet had Montana been to 8 Super Bowls he would have not been undefeated. I will take 5-3 in SB's over 4-0 any day!

Further nonsense: The headline/ticker under Belichick last night during post-game presser said only coach to lose 3+ Super Bowls... That's the frickin' headline? Are you kidding me? Talk about twisting numbers/stats to make your own narrative! Again, as a coach I'd rather be 5-3 than 4-0 or 5-1.

 

[sac'em]

Most ridiculous argument ever! So a guy who is 1-0 and undefeated in Super Bowls is better than Brady too? I bet had Montana been to 8 Super Bowls he would have not been undefeated. I will take 5-3 in SB's over 4-0 any day!

Further nonsense: The headline/ticker under Belichick last night during post-game presser said only coach to lose 3+ Super Bowls... That's the frickin' headline? Are you kidding me? Talk about twisting numbers/stats to make your own narrative! Again, as a coach I'd rather be 5-3 than 4-0 or 5-1.

Didn't Marv Levy lose 4 in a row? Fake News!!!

 

[LTHSALUM76]

Most ridiculous argument ever! So a guy who is 1-0 and undefeated in Super Bowls is better than Brady too? I bet had Montana been to 8 Super Bowls he would have not been undefeated. I will take 5-3 in SB's over 4-0 any day!

Further nonsense: The headline/ticker under Belichick last night during post-game presser said only coach to lose 3+ Super Bowls... That's the frickin' headline? Are you kidding me? Talk about twisting numbers/stats to make your own narrative! Again, as a coach I'd rather be 5-3 than 4-0 or 5-1.

Bud Grant,Don Shula, Marv Levy and Dan Reeves all lost four Super Bowls. And Reeves, Grant and Levy never won a single SB.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Bud Grant,Don Shula, Marv Levy and Dan Reeves all lost four Super Bowls. And Reeves, Grant and Levy never won a single SB.

Maybe they meant current/active coach or maybe I missed that word but either way it's still a ridiculous argument or headline.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Didn't Marv Levy lose 4 in a row? Fake News!!!

Maybe they meant current/active coach or maybe I missed that word but either way it's still a ridiculous argument or headline.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

Didn't Marv Levy lose 4 in a row? Fake News!!!

I just named the others who lost 4 SBs. Quite frankly I didn't care much at all for the production NBC put out on that game. I like Al Michaels, but Troy Aikman is far and away a better analyst than Collinsworth. I also thought the commercials sucked. Not enough funny ones and too many with "messages." Commercials should entertain a person while selling a product. Don't tell me what you think is fair and equal in life. And don't give this, "we are all different and we need to accept each other stuff." Please save the lecture for the Oscars.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

I just named the others who lost 4 SBs. Quite frankly I didn't care much at all for the production NBC put out on that game. I like Al Michaels, but Troy Aikman is far and away a better analyst than Collinsworth. I also thought the commercials sucked. Not enough funny ones and too many with "messages." Commercials should entertain a person while selling a product. Don't tell me what you think is fair and equal in life. And don't give this, "we are all different and we need to accept each other stuff." Please save the lecture for the Oscars.

Ok, found the clip on NBC sports.... Said "6th coach to lose 3+ Super Bowls" (wanted to straighten that out), so my bad on the quote BUT that doesn't change fact that it's a ridiculous headline for a 5-3 SB coach.

 

[mchsalumni]

Most ridiculous argument ever! So a guy who is 1-0 and undefeated in Super Bowls is better than Brady too? I bet had Montana been to 8 Super Bowls he would have not been undefeated.

Meh, not a ridiculous argument, just my opinion.

The 1-0 comment is farcical and a false equivalence.

We'll never know on 8 for Montana, so not worth arguing.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Meh, not a ridiculous argument, just my opinion.

The 1-0 comment is farcical and a false equivalence.

We'll never know on 8 for Montana, so not worth arguing.

Ok, your opinion... Hypothetical you is an NFL QB and have option in career to go to 8 (maybe more) SB's and go 5-3 or go to 4 and be 4-0.... what do you do? I take going to twice as many SB's and losing a few while still having a winning record.

 

[Cross Bones]

The winner is whoever has Ditka lol

 

[TheDude11]

You were right the first time. It is a stupid opinion. We should give Montana credit because some years he lost in the conference championship game or earlier instead of making it to the SB and losing???