The old private/public debate! jeez. still. EASY FIX.

[The Outfit]

if someone could provide a cancelled check or a tuition statement showing that a student has received financial assistance for athletic scholarships that would allow the continuation of the private/public debate! until then- why keep complaining!

until then- remember- recruiting is not illegal! it's done to keep the doors open! Don't be mad ya took a beating! Don't be mad they didn't recruit your kid! Just remember everyone has to work within the rules of the IHSA.

recruiting does not mean kids are receiving financial assistance to play for the school of their choice!

anything else is speculation like aliens, flat earth, and Elvis still being alive!

 

[gobucsgo]

You can make an argument that the kid is a good student. And we want him/her to be apart of this great institution. Parents cleaning the bleachers after the game to work off the cost. Heck. Getting parents a job thru networking helps. There are many ways to help parents reduce the cost of tuition. Not sure how ethical some are. But if it’s legal, it doesnt matter.

It’s too bad you can’t figure out the general population, the population of the school and try to figure out how to come up with a math equation.

Belleville Althoff vs Sterling Newman with both being in 1A doesn’t seem so fair for Sterling Newman. With Belleville being able to draw from a bigger population than Sterling.

Obviously, the Chicago privates like Hope who can draw from Chicago population is different as well.

I dont care if all the privates won 1 - 8A as long as there was a fair way for the school enrollment to reflect the school population versus the population that the school can get from the surrounding communities.

 

[The Outfit]

You can make an argument that the kid is a good student. And we want him/her to be apart of this great institution. Parents cleaning the bleachers after the game to work off the cost. Heck. Getting parents a job thru networking helps. There are many ways to help parents reduce the cost of tuition. Not sure how ethical some are. But if it’s legal, it doesnt matter.

It’s too bad you can’t figure out the general population, the population of the school and try to figure out how to come up with a math equation.

Belleville Althoff vs Sterling Newman with both being in 1A doesn’t seem so fair for Sterling Newman. With Belleville being able to draw from a bigger population than Sterling.

Obviously, the Chicago privates like Hope who can draw from Chicago population is different as well.

I dont care if all the privates won 1 - 8A as long as there was a fair way for the school enrollment to reflect the school population versus the population that the school can get from the surrounding communities.

they have to stay within the boundaries... is it 50 mile or 20 mile radius?

i am sure i am missing some other private schools (not just catholic) Leo, DelaSalle, Mt Carmel, Saint Rita, Bro Rice all battle for the same kids.

It's freedom of choice i guess. Go where you want as far as the private schools within the boundaries.

my post is all ignotated from the Anticoch DC complaining. calling other schools all star schools/teams. That just rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe he should spend more time watching film and putting his scripts together than engaging social media... not fair for me to say that as I don't know how much time he puts in to his teams prep.

i should probably apologize but won't,

 

[Snetsrak61]

You can make an argument that the kid is a good student. And we want him/her to be apart of this great institution. Parents cleaning the bleachers after the game to work off the cost. Heck. Getting parents a job thru networking helps. There are many ways to help parents reduce the cost of tuition. Not sure how ethical some are. But if it’s legal, it doesnt matter.

It’s too bad you can’t figure out the general population, the population of the school and try to figure out how to come up with a math equation.

Belleville Althoff vs Sterling Newman with both being in 1A doesn’t seem so fair for Sterling Newman. With Belleville being able to draw from a bigger population than Sterling.

Obviously, the Chicago privates like Hope who can draw from Chicago population is different as well.

I dont care if all the privates won 1 - 8A as long as there was a fair way for the school enrollment to reflect the school population versus the population that the school can get from the surrounding communities.

Most (all?) private schools drawing from larger populations are also competeting with many other private schools for those students.

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

if someone could provide a cancelled check or a tuition statement showing that a student has received financial assistance for athletic scholarships that would allow the continuation of the private/public debate! until then- why keep complaining!

until then- remember- recruiting is not illegal! it's done to keep the doors open! Don't be mad ya took a beating! Don't be mad they didn't recruit your kid! Just remember everyone has to work within the rules of the IHSA.

recruiting does not mean kids are receiving financial assistance to play for the school of their choice!

anything else is speculation like aliens, flat earth, and Elvis still being alive!

Not to be a pain but recruiting is illegal for athletic purposes, per IHSA.

 

[The Outfit]

Not to be a pain but recruiting is illegal for athletic purposes, per IHSA.

no pain... thank you for pointing that out,

i tried to say that recruiting is a must as private schools are private businesses. They must market their entire school experience to keep the doors open.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

no pain... thank you for pointing that out,

i tried to say that recruiting is a must as private schools are private businesses. They must market their entire school experience to keep the doors open.

Thank you for the clarification.

The entire issue on this board is that the IHSA allows private schools to recruit to 'keep doors open' but do not allow public schools to do so without significant paperwork, ie. Maine South and Naperville Central (and undoubtedly LWE) in the past few years.

 

[The Outfit]

The entire issue on this board is that the IHSA allows private schools to recruit to 'keep doors open' but do not allow public schools to do so without significant paperwork, ie. Maine South and Naperville Central (and undoubtedly LWE) in the past few years.

i would question that... the late great Gary Kohornen from Richard's used to openly recruit in his district! many times. i heard him say if he couldn't keep the kids in his district then he didnt deserve them.

Is your point public schools being able to recruit players outside their. district? Is that illegal as long as people do fill out their paperwork correctly?

Private schools have clear boundaries; public schools have clear boundaries... where is the advantage?

 

[Gene K.]

Most (all?) private schools drawing from larger populations are also competeting with many other private schools for those students.

Montini, Nazareth, ICCP, and St Francis all intensely compete against each other for Catholic student athletes, in the Western suburbs. All of them are 5A or below. Putting together a team from those four schools would give ESL, Loyola, LWE, Mount Carmel, or any other school second place status as the best team in the state.

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

i would question that... the late great Gary Kohornen from Richard's used to openly recruit in his district! many times. i heard him say if he couldn't keep the kids in his district then he didnt deserve them.

Is your point public schools being able to recruit players outside their. district? Is that illegal as long as people do fill out their paperwork correctly?

Private schools have clear boundaries; public schools have clear boundaries... where is the advantage?

Per IHSA rules, Korhonan could not recruit even his own district. You must 'recruit' generally and not to one specific sport, activity, etc. So that's illegal. I can't deny that most high school coaches are doing that but that's in one's own district. Now imagine being able to access dozens of districts for their best talent...

There are no clear boundaries for private schools. The rule is 30 mile radius, but a friends address could work. In public schools, you would need to move. If you use a friends address, schools can and will check on you. That would be skirting federal and state tax money. In a private school, it's on the 'honor' system.

 

[618FootballGuy]

My solution. Get rid of the waiver. Consistently apply the 1.65x multiplier to all private/charters/parochial whatever term you wanna use consistently and go 1-32.

 

[Dave Brody]

Montini, Nazareth, ICCP, and St Francis all intensely compete against each other for Catholic student athletes, in the Western suburbs. All of them are 5A or below. Putting together a team from those four schools would give ESL, Loyola, LWE, Mount Carmel, or any other school second place status as the best team in the state.

I’d add Benet to the list as well

 

[crazylegs777]

My solution. Get rid of the waiver. Consistently apply the 1.65x multiplier to all private/charters/parochial whatever term you wanna use consistently and go 1-32.Back in the late 80’s or was it sometime in the 90’s I remember private schools public too? Used to play in the classification by average opponent enrollment. Add up your 9 schools you play enrollment & divide by 9.I know Bishop Mac was an Independent & would play K3,BBCHS,Gary Wirt,Marian Catholic & other big schools so that put them in a higher playoff class & they did not like it.

 

[rfb321]

My solution. Get rid of the waiver. Consistently apply the 1.65x multiplier to all private/charters/parochial whatever term you wanna use consistently and go 1-32.

the reason they put the in waiver was because it was unfair to penalize those privates who are not known as football schools. Originally, it was put in to slow down a handful of CCL’s, JCA, Bishop Mac, Boylan and Driscoll. And it worked pretty good. But if say, the likes of Walther Christian, Elgin St. Ed’s, Aurora Christian or ACC somehow scrape together five wins, do they really deserve to be multiplied?

 

[Snetsrak61]

the reason they put the in waiver was because it was unfair to penalize those privates who are not known as football schools. Originally, it was put in to slow down a handful of CCL’s, JCA, Bishop Mac, Boylan and Driscoll. And it worked pretty good. But if say, the likes of Walther Christian, Elgin St. Ed’s, Aurora Christian or ACC somehow scrape together five wins, do they really deserve to be multiplied?

And then it went from I think a 5 year cycle with I believe 1 playoff win to a 2 year 3 win cycle. I don't believe any of the bottom 4 class winners would have been in their class under the old waiver system.

Why that was changed... I don't know. Best speculation I have seen it was changed to align with 2 year cycle of the I'll fated district proposal (same as for why SF changed to 2 year cycle).

Of course, complaints of fairness existed in the old waiver system too...

 

[jwarigaku]

Per IHSA rules, Korhonan could not recruit even his own district. You must 'recruit' generally and not to one specific sport, activity, etc. So that's illegal. I can't deny that most high school coaches are doing that but that's in one's own district. Now imagine being able to access dozens of districts for their best talent...

There are no clear boundaries for private schools. The rule is 30 mile radius, but a friends address could work. In public schools, you would need to move. If you use a friends address, schools can and will check on you. That would be skirting federal and state tax money. In a private school, it's on the 'honor' system.

This is simply untrue on both sides of your description when my oldest son transferred from a public Naperville school to a private school, he and I had to move, I had to become his sole guardian(court filing), and the public Naperville school still appealed the transfer and it was not formally accepted until reviewed by an adleitum appointed court attorney in Will county.