Q: So how would you improve/fix Football districting scheduling?

[EdgyTim]

Been lots of complaining (in all honesty who actually voted for this thing seems like every coach I've spoken to was not in favor of this) but District scheduling was passed.

So how would you go about adding/fixing any issues you see? Also if you are pro district scheduling...feel free to let myself and many other here as to why you are in favor?

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Been lots of complaining (in all honesty who actually voted for this thing seems like every coach I've spoken to was not in favor of this) but District scheduling was passed.

The coaches don't vote, right? So it is very well possible that many coaches were against it but Admin voted for it....just saying.

 

[pjjp]

It would seem they would need to devise an approach that "equitably" incorporates the CPS programs. If they don't, it will further erode football participation in the CPS, IMO. That would be one of the first hurdles they will need to overcome in putting the approved proposal in practice.

 

[ClownBaby]

It would seem they would need to devise an approach that "equitably" incorporates the CPS programs. If they don't, it will further erode football participation in the CPS, IMO. That would be one of the first hurdles they will need to overcome in putting the approved proposal in practice.

Would anyone be unhappy if CPS became a district to themselves? It would help alleviate many corncerns suburban and private schools have about worthless games and forfeits.

 

[pjjp]

Would anyone be unhappy if CPS became a district to themselves? It would help alleviate many corncerns suburban and private schools have about worthless games and forfeits.

I was thinking that is a possibility. Maybe give the CPS an option to play in "combined" districts, if they so chose. That way, schools like Simeon and Phillips could conceivably chose to opt out of a CPS-only district.

 

[Cross Bones]

I don't necessarily like the issues revolving around CPS. I would just remove schools who are currently ineligible for the playoffs and make the districts from all the remaining schools.

But I don't have the problems that others do, the schools voted to have the IHSA divide the schools into regions based on class, there really is nothing else to know. If the district thing is settled the thing I would change is to have the non-district games count for something. If not then just eliminate them and have a 7 game season.

 

[Undercenter3rd1]

CPS playing each other would be great start.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

I don't necessarily like the issues revolving around CPS. I would just remove schools who are currently ineligible for the playoffs and make the districts from all the remaining schools.

But I don't have the problems that others do, the schools voted to have the IHSA divide the schools into regions based on class, there really is nothing else to know. If the district thing is settled the thing I would change is to have the non-district games count for something. If not then just eliminate them and have a 7 game season.

I don’t really understand what the big deal is about the 2 non-district games not counting. This happens in sports all of the time. I know it’s not exactly parallel but Northwestern won the big ten west so they were in the big ten championship. Their winning or losing non-conference games had no bearing on whether or not they made the big ten championship or not. Any sport where you winning your conference makes you an automatic qualifier in a playoff makes the non-conference games irrelevant for the playoff qualification. This is the case in the lower levels of college football where winning your conference puts you in the D3 football playoff is an example or the NCAA basketball tournament is another, etc.

 

[Cross Bones]

I don’t really understand what the big deal is about the 2 non-district games not counting. This happens in sports all of the time. I know it’s not exactly parallel but Northwestern won the big ten west so they were in the big ten championship. Their winning or losing non-conference games had no bearing on whether or not they made the big ten championship or not. Any sport where you winning your conference makes you an automatic qualifier in a playoff makes the non-conference games irrelevant for the playoff qualification. This is the case in the lower levels of college football where winning your conference puts you in the D3 football playoff is an example or the NCAA basketball tournament is another, etc.

In college football ALL the games count because each team is trying to get the best bowl game possible. Sure the non-cons don't count for the B1G championship, but they count in the larger picture. Even now the non-cons don't count for conference standings, but they count towards the playoffs and seeding. Under the new format they literally count for nothing tangible. Sure some rivalries may have to continue that way but why risk your playoffs over a rivalry? I wouldn't.

 

[Undercenter3rd1]

I also believe Catholic Hs programs have to be placed by there helmet count and winning percentages over last few yrs.You can’t have a team like st Rita play lower level because of lower enrollment!They need to play up at the highest district.Catholic schools have scholarships to pull in players.
Mt Carmel
Rita
Brother rice
Naz
Niles notredame
Montini
Carmel
Pats
Loyola
All those schools should be at district 8A

 

[niualum2002]

So this is the VERY detailed plan of how I would suggest creating a district model in Illinois.

Part 1

Points of Consideration:

#1 Private School Considerations: 4 all-private districts of 6 schools will be formed descending from 8A to 5A. This setup will allow for traditional private school rivalries to continue. Optional district adjustments such as a promotion/relegation component for districts will be available at the discretion of the private schools every two years in district assignments. District assignments every 2 years will be left exclusively to the private schools and not to the IHSA. Private schools in this case are assumed to be only those in the Chicagoland area. Schools not placed in these special 8A-5A class designations will qualify for districts like any other school.

#2 CPS Considerations: CPS-only districts in classes 6A, 5A, 4A, and 2A will be formed. CPS schools are not currently eligible for Class 8A and 7A of the IHSA playoffs based on lack of historical success in the IHSA playoffs. Optional district adjustments such as a promotion/relegation component for districts will be available at the discretion of the CPS every two years in district assignments. District assignments every 2 years will be left exclusively to the CPS and not to the IHSA. If the CPS deems that there are not enough competitive CPS schools to fill out the playoff field in any class, 5th place schools from other districts in that class will fill out the playoff field. This determination of playoff-eligibility for CPS schools will be made by the CPS prior to the beginning of the season. Regarding CPS historical playoff qualification, 20 schools from the CPS qualified for the IHSA Playoffs in 2018, and 20 qualify under this revised structure as well.

#3 Conference Considerations: Previous conference arrangements will be considered under this proposal. When possible, previous conference affiliations and likely regional rivalries will be used to keep these familiar conference and regional schools together. This will allow for traditional rivalries to continue to take place.

#4 Travel Considerations: Travel of 50 miles or more will factor into district assignments and may adjust schools up or down a class assignment based on distance.

#5 Rigor of 8A: 8A schools will be recognized for the rigor of their districts and thus fewer teams will be assigned to this class.

#6 Competitive Balance: Minor adjustments to class assignments will be made to ensure competitive balance and to keep as many current conferences together as possible. In most cases, this will only result in a difference of one class higher or lower than what that school’s enrollment would dictate in terms of class assignment.

#7 Number of teams in 4A-1A as compared to 8A-5A: Districts in classes 4A-1A will be slightly larger in total number or schools as compared to the districts in classes 8A-5A.

#8 Fluctuation in number of teams offering football: If the number of football playing schools drops below 514, then reduction of teams per class will occur in the classes of 4A-1A first before moving to the classes of 7A-5A. If the number of football playing schools rises above 514, then additional schools will be added to the classes of 7A-5A first before moving to class 8A. In all cases, the classes of 4A-1A will not see an increase in the number of teams participating in their classes.

#9 Requests to opt up in class: Requests to opt up in class will be honored if appropriate district switches can be made with another school.

#10 Crossover Games: Crossover games will be used when necessary for scheduling purposes, but won’t count for district standings.

#11 Nine Team District Scheduling: If a 9 team district is required, these can be scheduled with a crossover game against another 9 team district resulting in a closed schedule with no need for non-district games, or a 7 game schedule by only playing 6 of 8 district teams and using tiebreakers as determined by the IHSA to choose the Top 4 playoff teams. 9 team districts unable to fill out their schedule with a non-district game team district will simply receive a bye for their off-week.

#12 Ten Team District Scheduling: 10 team districts can be scheduled to play a 9 game closed schedule with no need for non-district games, or a 7 game schedule with teams only playing 7 of 9 district teams and using tiebreakers as determined by the IHSA to choose the Top 4 playoff teams.

#13 Tiebreaker Situations: The IHSA shall develop a tiebreaker procedure for playoff qualification and seeding purposes when applicable.

#14 Success Factor and Multiplier: The previously implemented success factor and multiplier will be eliminated due to this new districting format.

#15 District Assignments: Districts will be reassessed and modified every two years based off of the previously listed factors and others if necessary.

 

[niualum2002]

Part 2

The Districts (8A-5A)

8A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(48 total schools, 7 public districts of 6 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District #1 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Loyola
-Brother Rice
-Mt. Carmel
-St. Rita
-Marist
-Niles Notre Dame

Public District #1 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Lincoln-Way East
-Homewood Flossmoor
-Bolingbrook
-Sandburg
-Lockport
-Minooka

Public District #2 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-West Aurora
-Neuqua Valley
-Waubonsie Valley
-Metea Valley
-Naperville Central
-Naperville North

Public District #3 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Oswego
-Oswego East
-Plainfield South
-Plainfield North
-Plainfield East
-Plainfield Central

Public District #4 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Barrington
-Palatine
-Fremd
-Conant
-Prospect
-Schaumburg

Public District #5 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Huntley
-South Elgin
-Bartlett
-Lake Park
-St. Charles East
-St. Charles North

Public District #6 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Glenbard West
-York
-Hinsdale Central
-Lyons
-Downers South
-Oak Park River Forest

Public District #7 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Stevenson
-New Trier
-Glenbrook South
-Warren
-Evanston
-Maine South

7A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(62 schools, 7 public districts of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District #2 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Benet
-Providence
-Carmel
-Fenwick
-St. Patrick
-St. Ignatius

Public District #1 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-East St. Louis
-Edwardsville
-Belleville East
-Belleville West
-Alton
-O’Fallon
-Granite City
-Collinsville

Public District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Machesney Park Harlem
-Rockton Hononegah
-Rockford East
-Rockford Auburn
-Rockford Jefferson
-Rockford Guilford
-Rockford Boylan
-Belvidere North

Public District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-DeKalb
-Streamwood
-Larkin
-Elgin
-Batavia
-Geneva
-West Chicago
-East Aurora

Public District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Wheaton Warrenville South
-Wheaton North
-Glenbard North
-Glenbard East
-Leyden
-Morton
-Proviso East
-Proviso West

Public District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Addison Trail
-Willowbrook
-Downers North
-Hinsdale South
-Maine East
-Maine West
-Niles West
-Niles North

Public District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Jacobs
-Dundee-Crown
-McHenry
-Zion-Benton
-Waukegan
-Mundelein
-Highland Park
-Glenbrook North

Public District #7 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Lincoln-Way Central
-Lincoln-Way West
-Andrew
-Stagg
-Romeoville
-Bloom
-Joliet West
-Joliet Central

6A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(62 schools, 6 public districts of 8 schools, 1 CPS districts of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District #3 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Nazareth
-Joliet Catholic
-Montini
-Marmion
-St. Viator
-Marian Woodstock

CPS District #1 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Lane
-Taft
-Curie
-Simeon
-Hubbard
-Lincoln Park
-Kenwood
-Phillips

Public District #1 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Moline
-Rock Island
-East Moline
-Galesburg
-Yorkville
-Sycamore
-Hampshire
-Kaneland

Public District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Pekin
-Washington
-Normal Community
-Normal West
-Bloomington
-Champaign Centennial
-Champaign Central
-Danville

Public District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Thornton
-Thornwood
-T.F. North
-T.F. South
-Lemont
-Oak Forest
-Crete-Monee
-Bradley-Bourbonnais

Public District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Buffalo Grove
-Rolling Meadows
-Hersey
-Wheeling
-Elk Grove Village
-Hoffman Estates
-Fenton
-Maine East

Public District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Antioch
-Lakes
-Grayslake North
-Grayslake Central
-Libertyville
-Lake Forest
-Vernon Hills
-Deerfield

Public District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Cary Grove
-Crystal Lake Prairie Ridge
-Crystal Lake South
-Crystal Lake Central
-Lake Zurich
-Wauconda
-Grant
-Round Lake

5A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(62 schools, 6 public districts of 8 schools, 1 CPS district of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District #4 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-St. Laurence
-De LaSalle
-Marian Chicago Heights
-St. Francis
-Bishop Mac
-Immaculate Conception

CPS District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Morgan Park
-Raby
-Westinghouse
-Solorio
-Perspectives
-Payton
-Urban Prep Bronzeville
-Back of the Yards

Public District #1 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Rich Central
-Rich South
-Rich East
-Thornridge
-Bremen
-Tinley Park
-Hillcrest
-Evergreen Park

Public District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Morris
-Ottawa
-LaSalle-Peru
-Streator
-Rochelle
-Sterling
-Dixon
-Geneseo

Public District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Belvidere
-Freeport
-Burlington Central
-Woodstock
-Woodstock North
-Elmwood Park
-Ridgewood
-Glenbard South

Public District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Kankakee
-Rantoul
-Mahomet-Seymour
-Urbana
-Mattoon
-Charleston
-Decatur Eisenhower
-Decatur McArthur

Public District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Quincy
-Jacksonville
-Sacred Heart-Griffin
-Rochester
-Chatham Glenwood
-Springfield
-Springfield Southeast
-Springfield Lamphier

Public District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Centralia
-Mt. Vernon
-Troy Triad
-Mascotutah
-Highland
-Cahokia
-Carbondale
-Marion

 

[niualum2002]

Part 3

The Districts (4A-1A)

4A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(68 schools, 6 public districts of 8 schools, 2 CPS districts of 10 schools)

CPS District #3 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Von Steuben
-Brooks
-CVS
-Clark
-Amundsen
-Mather
-Lindblom
-Schurz
-Phoenix
-Washington

CPS District #4 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Steinmetz
-Senn
-Lake View
-Hyde Park
-King
-Sullivan
-North Lawndale Charter
-Clemente
-Agricultural Science
-Dunbar

Public District #1 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Jerseyville Jersey
-Bethalto Civic Memorial
-Belleville Althoff
-Columbia
-Waterloo
-Freeburg
-Breese Central
-Breese Mater Dei

Public District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-North Chicago
-Harvard
-Marengo
-Richmond-Burton
-Genoa-Kingston
-Johnsburg
-Stillman Valley
-Rock Falls

Public District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Plano
-Sandwich
-Coal City
-Manteno
-Wilmington
-Reed-Custer
-Peotone
-Herscher

Public District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Mendota
-Pontiac
-Fairbury Prairie-Central
-Paxton Buckley-Loda
-Chillicothe Illinois Valley Central
-Dunlap
-Metamora
-Morton

Public District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Peoria Notre Dame
-Peoria Manual
-Peoria
-Peoria Richwoods
-East Peoria
-Bartonville Limestone
-Canton
-Clinton

Public District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Mt. Zion
-Taylorville
-Olney (Richland County)
-Effingham
-Herrin
-Murphysboro
-Salem
-Carterville

3A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(70 schools, 5 public districts of 8 schools, 3 public districts of 10 schools)

Public District #1 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Carlinville
-Pana
-Vandalia
-Greenville
-Staunton
-Gillespie
-Hillsboro
-Roxana
-Piasa Southwestern
-Litchfield

Public District #2 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Maroa-Forsyth
-Williamsville
-Athens
-Pleasant Plains
-Auburn
-Virden North Mac
-New Berlin Coop
-Petersburg PORTA Coop
-Pittsfield Coop
-Riverton

Public District #3 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Kewanee
-Monmouth-Roseville
-Princeton
-Sherrard
-Peru St. Bede
-Erie-Prophetstown Coop
-Spring Valley Hall
-Seneca
-Rock Island Alleman
-Macomb

Public District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Havana Coop
-Peoria Heights Coop
-Elmwood-Brimfield Coop
-Farmington
-Sciota (West Prairie) (Bushnell-West Prairie Coop)
-Knoxville
-Rushville-Industry
-Illini West

Public District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Monticello
-Bloomington Central Catholic
-Champaign St. Thomas More
-St. Joseph-Ogden
-Stanford Olympia Coop
-Tolono Unity
-Hoopeston Coop
-Flanagan-Cornell-Woodland Coop

Public District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Metropolis (Massac County)
-Benton
-Harrisburg
-Anna-Jonesboro
-West Frankfort
-DuQuoin
-Pinckneyville
-Nashville

Public District #7 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Paris
-Bridgeport (Red Hill)
-Newton
-Casey-Westfield
-Marshall
-Robinson
-Flora
-Lawrenceville


Public District #8 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Byron
-Poplar Grove (North Boone)
-Winnebago
-Oregon
-Rockford (Lutheran)
-Pecatonica Coop
-Rockford (Christian)
-Sterling Newman Catholic

2A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(66 schools, 5 public districts of 8 schools, 1 public district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District #5 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Aurora Catholic
-Aurora Christian
-Wheaton Academy
-St. Edward
-Guerin
-St. Joseph

CPS District #5 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-South Shore
-Collins
-Urban Prep West
-Foreman
-Marine
-Chicago Military Academy Bronzeville
-Orr
-Harlan
-Urban Prep/Englewood
-Julian

Public District #1 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Albion (Edwards County)
-Sesser-Valier
-Chester
-Carmi (White County)
-Johnston City
-Eldorado
-McLeansboro (Hamilton County)
-Christopher-Zeigler-Royalton Coop
-Fairfield
-Vienna-Goreville Coop

Public District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Pawnee Coop
-Nokomis Coop
-Kincaid (South Fork Coop)
-Abingdon-Avon
-Lewistown
-Hamilton (West Hancock Coop)
-Beardstown
-Quincy Notre Dame


Public District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Gibson City Melvin-Sibley
-Tremont
-Minonk (Fieldcrest)
-Mackinaw (Deer Creek-Mackinaw)
-Downs (Tri-Valley)
-El Paso-Gridley
-Flanagan-Cornell-Woodland Coop
-Eureka

Public District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Oblong (Coop)
-Villa-Grove Heritage Coop
-Niantic (Sangamon Valley Coop)
-Decatur Lutheran Coop
-Arthur-Lovington-Atwood-Hammond
-Argenta-Oreana
-Toledo (Cumberland)
-Cerro-Gorro-Bement Coop

Public District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Lisle
-Westmont
-Dwight
-Clifton Central
-Momence
-Watseka
-Gillman (Iroquois West)
-Ottawa (Marquette)


Public District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Savanna (West Carroll)
-Lanark (Eastland Pearl City Coop)
-Amboy-LaMoille Coop)
-Dakota
-Forreston
-Galena
-Lena-Winslow
-East Dubuque

1A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(76 schools, 7 public districts of 10 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District #6 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Chicago Christian
-Leo
-DePaul
-Melrose Park (Walther Christian)
-Chicago Hope
-Chicago (Christ the King)

Public District #1 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Orangeville
-Warren
-Hanover (River Ridge)
-Milledgeville
-Polo
-Ashton-Franklin Center
-Freeport (Aquin)
-Stockton
-South Beloit
-Mooseheart

Public District #2 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Mendon Unity (Coop)
-Camp Point Central
-Winchester (West Central Coop)
-White Hall (North Greene)
-Greenfield-Northwestern (Coop)
-Concord Triopia (Coop)
-Pleasant Hill (Coop)
-Carrollton
-Mt. Sterling (Brown County)
-Hardin Calhoun (Coop)

Public District #3 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Sullivan Okaw Valley (Coop)
-Decatur (St. Teresa)
-Shelbyville
-Tuscola
-Warrensburg-Latham
-Macon (Meridian)
-Moweaqua Central A & M
-Oakland (Tri-County Coop)
-Arcola
-Martinsville

Public District #4 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Fisher
-LeRoy
-Heyworth
-Colfax-Ridgeview Coop
-Catlin Salt Fork
-Georgetown-Ridge Farm
-Fithian (Oakwood)
-Bismark-Henning
-Westville
-Mt. Carmel

Public District #5 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Kirkland (Hiawatha)
-Varna Midland (River Valley Coop)
-Morrison
-Fulton
-Orion
-Port Byron (Riverdale)
-Taylor Ridge (Rockridge)
-Manilus (Bureau Valley)
-Astoria (South Fulton Coop)
-Cuba (North Fulton Coop)

Public District #6 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Red Bud
-Trenton (Wesclin)
-Carlyle
-Madison
-Edwardsville (Metro East Lutheran)
-Wood River (East Alton Wood River)
-Alton Marquette
-Bunker Hill (South Mac Coop)
-Dupo
-Sparta

Public District #7 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)
-Jacksonville Routt (Coop)
-Oneida ROWVA (Mid-County Coop)
-Aledo (Mercer County)
-Kewanee (Annawan-Wethersfield Coop)
-Monmouth (United)
-Cambridge (Ridgewood Coop)
-Toulon (Stark County)
-Biggsville (West Central)
-Princeville
-Farmer City (Blue Ridge Coop)

 

[niualum2002]

Part 4

Miscellaneous Notes

Top 4 teams in each district make the playoffs

8A=48 Schools (7 public districts of 6 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

7A=62 Schools (7 public districts of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

6A=62 Schools (6 public districts of 8 schools, 1 CPS district of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

5A=62 Schools (6 public districts of 8 schools, 1 CPS district of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

4A=68 Schools (6 public districts of 8 schools, 2 CPS districts of 10 schools)

3A=70 Schools (5 public districts of 8 schools, 3 public districts of 10 schools)

2A=66 Schools (5 public districts of 8 schools, 1 public district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

1A=76 Schools (7 public districts of 10 schools,1 private district of 6 schools)


Total Number of Schools = 514

Scheduling Notes:

-8A-5A and 2A-1A privates play 2 crossover games against each other. 8A plays 2 crossover games against 7A. 6A plays 2 crossover games against 5A. 2A plays 2 crossover games against 1A.

-8A public districts play 2 crossover games against each other as listed below:

½ of District 1 plays ½ of District 2, ½ of District 3 plays ½ of District 4, ½ of District 5 plays ½ of District 6, ½ of District 7 plays ½ of District 1,½ of District 2 plays ½ of District 3, ½ of District 4 plays ½ of District 5, and ½ of District 6 plays ½ of District 7.

-Teams will be able to schedule non-district opponents for Weeks 1 and 2 of the season. These games will not count towards district standings.

 

[Undercenter3rd1]

Wow that’s a lot of work.It might be the best scenario for a lot of teams that I have seen.It almost looks like it makes to much sense.Good job!

 

[JCHillmen]

IHSA works closely with CPS every year to simultaneously solve 2 problems....

Get the number of football playing schools to a mathematically nice 512, or 64 per class. This can solve 2 problems. First, it eliminates that terrible 9 team district possibility and therefore a handful of teams having open dates to fill weeks 8 and 9. Second, it can solve at least some of the competitive balance problems. Depending on how many schools field teams in the state, the CPS can select whatever teams it wants to not be included in the 512, most assuredly the weakest it has. They can then be placed into closed districts and play themselves only with no playoff possibility. Those teams are happy to not get killed. All other schools are happy to not have a forfeit or 70 point win. And everyone is happy to not have a 9 team district.

 

[Snetsrak61]

Wow, NIU, seems like a lot of work went into that!

Its almost like its just IHSA mandated conferences... not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. All those considerations that were taken into account were basically things schools take into account now when they self-sort into conferences.

 

[Snetsrak61]

Under the old conference-format, what if the IHSA just got rid of conference auto-qualifiers for playoffs? Would that encourage teams to join more loosely aligned and flexible conference formats that would reduce conference shuffling?

 

[ignazio]

I would take these teams and place them into Districts*:
Abingdon A.-Avon
Addison A. Trail
Albion Edwards County
Aledo Mercer County
Algonquin Jacobs
Alton Marquette
Alton Sr.
Amboy [A.-LaMoille Coop]
Anna A.-Jonesboro
Antioch
Arcola
Argenta A.-Oreana
Arlington Heights Hersey
Arlington Heights St. Viator
Arthur A.-Lovington-Atwood-Hammond
Ashton A.-Franklin Center
Astoria [South Fulton Coop]
Athens
Auburn
Aurora A. Christian
Aurora Central Catholic
Aurora East
Aurora Marmion Academy
Aurora Metea Valley
Aurora Waubonsie Valley
Aurora West Aurora
Barrington
Bartlett
Bartonville Limestone
Batavia
Beardstown
Belleville Althoff Catholic
Belleville East
Belleville West
Belvidere H.S.
Belvidere North
Bensenville Fenton
Benton
Berwyn-Cicero Morton
Bethalto Civic Memorial
Biggsville West Central
Bismarck B.-Henning-Rossville-Alvin
Bloomington Central Catholic
Bloomington H.S.
Blue Island Eisenhower
Bolingbrook
Bradley B.-Bourbonnais
Braidwood Reed-Custer
Breese Central
Breese Mater Dei
Bridgeport Red Hill
Buffalo Grove
Bunker Hill [South Mac Coop]
Burbank Reavis
Burbank St. Laurence
Burlington Central
Byron
Cahokia H.S.
Calumet City Thornton Fractional North
Cambridge [Ridgewood Coop]
Camp Point Central
Canton
Carbondale H.S.
Carlinville
Carlyle
Carmi C.-White County
Carol Stream Glenbard North
Carpentersville Dundee-Crown
Carrollton
Carterville
Carthage Illini West
Cary C.-Grove
Casey C.-Westfield
Catlin Salt Fork
Centralia H.S.
Cerro Gordo [C.G.-Bement Coop]
Champaign Centennial
Champaign Central
Champaign Judah Christian
Champaign St. Thomas More
Charleston
Chatham Glenwood
Chester
Agricultural Science
Amundsen
Back of the Yards
Bogan
Bowen
Brooks
Brother Rice
C. Academy
C. Hope Academy
C. Military Academy-Bronzeville [Coop]
C. Vocational
Carver
Catalyst/Maria
Christ the King
CICS/ Quest
CICS/Ellison
CICS/Longwood
Clark
Clemente
Collins [Coop]
Corliss
Crane
Curie
De La Salle
DePaul
Dunbar
DuSable
Dyett
Fenger
Foreman
Goode
Harlan
Harper
Hubbard
Hyde Park
Juarez
Julian
Kelly
Kennedy
Kenwood
King
Lake View
Lane
Leo
Lincoln Park
Lindblom
Little Village
Marine
Marist
Marshall
Mather
Morgan Park
Mt. Carmel
Noble/Academy
Noble/Bulls
Noble/Butler
Noble/Comer
Noble/Hansberry
Noble/ITW Speer
Noble/Johnson
Noble/Muchin
Noble/Pritzker
Noble/Rauner
Noble/Rowe-Clark
Noble/UIC
North Grand
North Lawndale Charter
Orr
Payton
Perspectives/Leadership [Coop]
Phillips
Phoenix [Coop]
Prosser
Raby
Roosevelt
Schurz
Senn
Simeon
Solorio Academy
South Shore
St. Ignatius
St. Patrick
St. Rita
Steinmetz
Sullivan
Taft
Tilden
UCCS/Woodlawn
Urban Prep/Bronzeville
Urban Prep/Englewood
Urban Prep/West
Von Steuben
Washington
Westinghouse
Whitney Young
Heights Bloom Twp.
Heights Marian
Chillicothe Illinois Valley Central
Christopher [C.-Zeigler-Royalton Coop]
Clifton Central
Clinton
Coal City
Colfax Ridgeview [Coop]
Collinsville
Columbia
Concord Triopia [Coop]
Country Club Hills Hillcrest
Crete C.-Monee
Crystal Lake Central
Crystal Lake Prairie Ridge
Crystal Lake South
Cuba [North Fulton Coop]
Dakota
Danville H.S.
Darien Hinsdale South
Decatur D. Lutheran [Coop]
Decatur Eisenhower
Decatur MacArthur
Decatur St. Teresa
Deerfield H.S.
DeKalb
Des Plaines Maine West
Dixon H.S.
Dolton Thornridge
Downers Grove North
Downers Grove South
Downs Tri-Valley
Dunlap
Dupo
DuQuoin H.S.
Dwight [Coop]
East Dubuque
East Moline United
East Peoria
East St. Louis Sr.
Edwardsville H.S.
Edwardsville Metro-East Lutheran
Effingham H.S.
El Paso E.P.-Gridley
Eldorado
Elgin H.S.
Elgin Larkin
Elgin St. Edward
Elk Grove Village E.G.
Elmhurst IC Catholic
Elmhurst York
Elmwood [E.-Brimfield Coop]
Elmwood Park
Erie [E.-Prophetstown Coop]
Eureka
Evanston Twp.
Evergreen Park
Fairbury Prairie Central
Fairfield
Farmer City Blue Ridge [Coop]
Farmington
Fisher
Fithian Oakwood
Flanagan F.-Cornell [F.-Cornell-Woodland Coop]
Flora
Flossmoor Homewood-F.
Forreston
Fox Lake Grant
Frankfort Lincoln-Way East
Franklin Park-Northlake Leyden
Freeburg
Freeport Aquin
Freeport H.S.
Fulton H.S.
Galena H.S.
Galesburg H.S.
Geneseo
Geneva
Genoa G.-Kingston
Georgetown G.-Ridge Farm
Gibson City G.C.-Melvin-Sibley
Gillespie
Gilman Iroquois West
Glen Ellyn Glenbard South
Glen Ellyn Glenbard West
Glenview Glenbrook South
Granite City
Grayslake Central
Grayslake North
Greenfield [G.-Northwestern Coop]
Greenville
Gurnee Warren
Hamilton [West Hancock Coop]
Hampshire
Hanover River Ridge
Hardin Calhoun [Coop]
Harrisburg
Harvard
Harvey Thornton
Havana [Coop]
Hebron Alden-H. [Coop]
Herrin H.S.
Herscher
Heyworth
Highland
Highland Park
Hillsboro
Hillside Proviso West
Hinsdale Central
Hoffman Estates Conant
Hoffman Estates H.S.
Hoopeston H. Area [Coop]
Huntley
Jacksonville H.S.
Jacksonville Illinois School for the Deaf
Jacksonville Routt [Coop]
Jerseyville Jersey
Johnsburg
Johnston City
Joliet Catholic Academy
Joliet Central
Joliet West
Kankakee McNamara
Kankakee Sr.
Kewanee H.S.
Kewanee Wethersfield [A.-Wethersfield Coop]
Kincaid South Fork [Coop]
Kirkland Hiawatha
Knoxville
LaGrange Lyons
LaGrange Park Nazareth Academy
Lake Forest H.S.
Lake Forest L.F. Academy
Lake Villa Lakes
Lake Zurich
Lanark Eastland [E.-Pearl City Coop]
Lansing Thornton Fractional South
LaSalle L.-Peru
Lawrenceville
Lemont H.S.
Lena L.-Winslow
LeRoy
Lewistown
Libertyville
Lincoln
Lincolnshire Stevenson
Lisle Benet Academy
Lisle Sr.
Litchfield
Lockport Twp.
Lombard Glenbard East
Lombard Montini
Machesney Park Harlem
Mackinaw Deer Creek-M.
Macomb
Macon Meridian
Madison
Mahomet M.-Seymour
Manlius Bureau Valley
Manteno
Maple Park Kaneland
Marengo
Marion H.S.
Maroa M.-Forsyth
Marshall
Martinsville
Mascoutah
Mattoon
Maywood Proviso East
McHenry
McLeansboro Hamilton County
Melrose Park Walther Christian
Mendon Unity [Coop]
Mendota
Metamora
Metropolis Massac County
Midlothian Bremen
Milford [Coop]
Milledgeville
Minonk Fieldcrest
Minooka
Moline H.S.
Momence
Monmouth M.-Roseville
Monmouth United
Monticello
Mooseheart
Morris
Morrison
Morton
Moweaqua Central A & M
Mt. Carmel
Mt. Prospect Prospect
Mt. Sterling Brown County
Mt. Vernon H.S.
Mt. Zion
Mundelein Carmel
Mundelein H.S.
Murphysboro [Coop]
Naperville Central
Naperville Neuqua Valley
Naperville North
Nashville
New Berlin [Coop]
New Lenox Lincoln-Way Central
New Lenox Lincoln-Way West
New Lenox Providence Catholic
Newton
Niantic Sangamon Valley [Coop]
Niles Notre Dame
Nokomis [Coop]
Normal Community West
Normal Community
Normal University
Norridge Ridgewood
North
Northbrook Glenbrook North
O'Fallon H.S.
Oak Forest
Oak Lawn Community
Oak Lawn Richards
Oak Park Fenwick
Oak Park O.P.-River Forest
Oakland [Tri-County Coop]
Oblong [Coop]
Olney Richland County
Olympia Fields Rich Central
Oneida ROWVA [Mid-County Coop]
Orangeville
Oregon
Orion
Orland Park Sandburg
Oswego East
Oswego H.S.
Ottawa Marquette
Ottawa Twp.
Palatine Fremd
Palatine H.S.
Palos Heights Christian
Palos Heights Shepard
Palos Hills Stagg
Pana H.S.
Paris
Park Forest Rich East
Park Ridge Maine East
Park Ridge Maine South
Pawnee [Coop]
Paxton P.-Buckley-Loda
Pecatonica [Coop]
Pekin
Peoria H.S.
Peoria Manual
Peoria Notre Dame
Peoria Richwoods
Peoria Heights [Coop]
Peotone
Peru St. Bede
Petersburg PORTA [Coop]
Piasa Southwestern
Pinckneyville
Pittsfield [Coop]
Plainfield Central
Plainfield East
Plainfield North
Plainfield South
Plano
Pleasant Hill [Coop]
Pleasant Plains
Polo
Pontiac
Poplar Grove North Boone
Port Byron Riverdale
Princeton
Princeville
Quincy Notre Dame
Quincy Sr.
Rantoul
Red Bud
Richmond R.-Burton
Richton Park Rich South
River Grove Guerin
Riverside R.-Brookfield
Riverton
Robinson
Rochelle
Rochester
Rock Falls
Rock Island Alleman
Rock Island H.S.
Rockford Auburn
Rockford Boylan Catholic
Rockford Christian Life [Coop]
Rockford East
Rockford Guilford
Rockford Jefferson
Rockford Lutheran
Rockford R. Christian
Rockton Hononegah
Rolling Meadows
Romeoville H.S.
Roselle Lake Park
Round Lake
Roxana
Rushville R.-Industry
Salem
Sandwich
Savanna West Carroll
Schaumburg H.S.
Sciota West Prairie [Bushnell-West Prairie Coop]
Seneca
Sesser S.-Valier [Coop]
Shelbyville
Sherrard
Skokie Niles North
Skokie Niles West
South Beloit
South Elgin
South Holland Thornwood
Sparta
Spring Valley Hall
Springfield H.S.
Springfield Lanphier
Springfield Sacred Heart-Griffin
Springfield Southeast
St. Charles East
St. Charles North
St. Joseph S.J.-Ogden
Stanford Olympia [Coop]
Staunton
Sterling H.S.
Sterling Newman Central Catholic
Stillman Valley
Stockton
Streamwood
Streator Twp.
Sullivan [S.-Okaw Valley Coop]
Summit Argo
Sycamore H.S.
Taylor Ridge Rockridge
Taylorville
Tinley Park Andrew
Tinley Park H.S.
Toledo Cumberland
Tolono Unity
Toulon Stark County
Tremont
Trenton Wesclin
Troy Triad
Tuscola
Urbana H.S.
Vandalia
Varna Midland [River Valley Coop]
Vernon Hills
Vienna [V.-Goreville Coop]
Villa Grove [V.G.-Heritage Coop]
Villa Park Willowbrook
Virden North Mac
Warren
Warrensburg W.-Latham
Washington
Waterloo H.S.
Watseka
Wauconda
Waukegan H.S.
West H.S.
West Wheaton Academy
West Frankfort Frankfort
Westchester St. Joseph
Westmont
Westville
Wheaton North
Wheaton St. Francis
Wheaton W. Warrenville South
Wheeling
White Hall North Greene
Williamsville
Wilmette Loyola Academy
Wilmington
Winchester [West Central Coop]
Winnebago
Winnetka New Trier
Wood River East Alton-W.R.
Woodstock H.S.
Woodstock Marian
Woodstock North
Yorkville H.S.
Zion Z.-Benton

• Allow them to group themselves, or not,
• Schedule teams above, or below, near or far, larger or smaller, as they see fit
• Then, sort them into 8 equal groups by enrollment
• Then - using an electronic computerized tabulation device or "computer" - rank them by wins vs losses, and overall strength of the wins and losses.
• Then put them into 32-team brackets - get this: using the rankings as where you place them into that bracket or "seeds"
• Play the games.

* The proposed Districts would be Free Will (or Individual Choice) Associations, the size, scope and source of funding of its individual members would NOT be mandated by any clumsy, state-wide association over-reaching its authority.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

I also believe Catholic Hs programs have to be placed by there helmet count and winning percentages over last few yrs.You can’t have a team like st Rita play lower level because of lower enrollment!They need to play up at the highest district.Catholic schools have scholarships to pull in players.
Mt Carmel
Rita
Brother rice
Naz
Niles notredame
Montini
Carmel
Pats
Loyola
All those schools should be at district 8A

Public schools are all full ride scholarships to pull in players, so....

 

[Kevin JCHS 81]

So this is the VERY detailed plan of how I would suggest creating a district model in Illinois.

Part 1

Points of Consideration:

[see original post for full content]

Wow, I read this last night and some again this morning. I still can't wrap my head around your reply.

I think I will let the posters chew on your answer for a couple days before providing any feedback. Even if your answer doesn't completely work, it appears to have merit.

 

[Undercenter3rd1]

Public schools are all full ride scholarships to pull in players, so....

My whole starting offense and defense on Catholic HS football team was on scholarship!Public has few transfers here and there.Not even close.

 

[woody6]

It sure seems like the serious problems with the district method for our state are being flushed out. Expanding the playoffs from our current conference system sure seems to make more sense now. If one steps back to really look at the complexities of trying to "fix" the projected districts set-up, it seems like the wrong direction. Swing the pendulum back?

 

[Quags57]

Part 4

Miscellaneous Notes

Top 4 teams in each district make the playoffs

8A=48 Schools (7 public districts of 6 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

7A=62 Schools (7 public districts of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

6A=62 Schools (6 public districts of 8 schools, 1 CPS district of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

5A=62 Schools (6 public districts of 8 schools, 1 CPS district of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

4A=68 Schools (6 public districts of 8 schools, 2 CPS districts of 10 schools)

3A=70 Schools (5 public districts of 8 schools, 3 public districts of 10 schools)

2A=66 Schools (5 public districts of 8 schools, 1 public district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

1A=76 Schools (7 public districts of 10 schools,1 private district of 6 schools)


Total Number of Schools = 514

Scheduling Notes:

-8A-5A and 2A-1A privates play 2 crossover games against each other. 8A plays 2 crossover games against 7A. 6A plays 2 crossover games against 5A. 2A plays 2 crossover games against 1A.

-8A public districts play 2 crossover games against each other as listed below:

½ of District 1 plays ½ of District 2, ½ of District 3 plays ½ of District 4, ½ of District 5 plays ½ of District 6, ½ of District 7 plays ½ of District 1,½ of District 2 plays ½ of District 3, ½ of District 4 plays ½ of District 5, and ½ of District 6 plays ½ of District 7.

-Teams will be able to schedule non-district opponents for Weeks 1 and 2 of the season. These games will not count towards district standings.

Extremely impressive work. The IHSA should hire you as a consultant.

You really went and thought outside the box here. The assumpton by many (myself included), that the breakdown of each class would be divided eqaully by schools. Instead, you looked at other factors and came up with a plan that could work quite well.

Now for the next difficult part, which I have yet to see anyone consider: How do you seed the teams for the playoffs?

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Would it changed people's mind on the district proposal if they somehow figured out how to incorporate non-district games into consideration for playoffs or at least seeding for playoffs?

 

[Undercenter3rd1]

I could see a lot of programs very happy with something like this set up.Makes a lot of sense.

 

[USD24]

My whole starting offense and defense on Catholic HS football team was on scholarship!Public has few transfers here and there.Not even close.

Where did you go to high school? On my Catholic High school football team, we had one or two starters who received financial aid.

 

[ramblinman]

niualum --

That was a lot of work you did, and I appreciate the effort. But, once you do something that big, people are gonna nitpick away. Here are my main nitpicks after just a brief scan of it:

1. You dropped down three 8A programs (Edwardsville, O'Fallon, and Belleville East) into 7A. While that solves the 8A district travel problem for those three schools (and the Joliet area 8A schools), that's a pretty big exception to the rule you just made there for the sake of convenience.

2. You bumped Boylan up to 7A. Why? Same convenient reason for dropping down those 8A programs?

 

[ramblinman]

Been lots of complaining (in all honesty who actually voted for this thing seems like every coach I've spoken to was not in favor of this) but District scheduling was passed.

So how would you go about adding/fixing any issues you see? Also if you are pro district scheduling...feel free to let myself and many other here as to why you are in favor?

As Bones basically pointed out, the District concept train has already left the station. I think we have to give districts a chance. You have to break an egg to make an omelette, but the omelette only comes together with a mix of other ingredients and a fair amount of attention. Also, rare is the omelette that is made perfectly on the first try. Usually, you have to make several of them and tweak the process a bit before you get them the way you like them.

We need to look at the next year or two as an omelette beta test of sorts. Let schools experience how those issues actually play out after a year or two, and let them be the ones to determine their own level of displeasure iwith those issues. Then, survey the schools (the ones actually fielding football teams, not the ones that don't) and ask them to identify the issues and rank them in terms of displeasure. Then, let the IHSA board decide if it wants to puke the whole concept or attempt to identify and implement fixes.

 

[CCLGUY1964]

My whole starting offense and defense on Catholic HS football team was on scholarship!Public has few transfers here and there.Not even close.

What high school was that?

 

[niualum2002]

Extremely impressive work. The IHSA should hire you as a consultant.

You really went and thought outside the box here. The assumpton by many (myself included), that the breakdown of each class would be divided eqaully by schools. Instead, you looked at other factors and came up with a plan that could work quite well.

Now for the next difficult part, which I have yet to see anyone consider: How do you seed the teams for the playoffs?

Thanks Quags 57!

 

[niualum2002]

niualum --

That was a lot of work you did, and I appreciate the effort. But, once you do something that big, people are gonna nitpick away. Here are my main nitpicks after just a brief scan of it:

1. You dropped down three 8A programs (Edwardsville, O'Fallon, and Belleville East) into 7A. While that solves the 8A district travel problem for those three schools (and the Joliet area 8A schools), that's a pretty big exception to the rule you just made there for the sake of convenience.

2. You bumped Boylan up to 7A. Why? Same convenient reason for dropping down those 8A programs?

Thank you. Yes I did both of those for geographic proximity.

 

[ignazio]

My whole starting offense and defense on Catholic HS football team was on scholarship!Public has few transfers here and there.Not even close.

Undercenter3rd1,
Where did you go to high school?

 

[The Ripper CGB]

One potential idea would be to combine 7A and 8A districts. Take the largest 128 schools. Split them up into 16 districts based on geography. You'd have mixed 7A & 8A districts. The top 4 in each district make the playoffs. Of those 64 schools the largest 32 play in 8A, the next 32 play in 7A.

By doing this you'd alleviate the St. Louis area schools travel issue. You'd be able to preserve more rivalries. You'd fix the DVC and other problems like it.

Under the expected enrollments and multipliers there are expected to be 6 private schools in 7 & 8A. You could bump up 2 more to have an all private district. There are expected to be 7 CPL schools, you could bump one up (Simeon?) to make an all CPL district (you could also move all of these schools down to be a 6A district).

 

[DHS2018]

So much focus here on what is best for 8A and to a lesser extent 7A, but failing to consider how some goofy plan like this impacts the smaller schools downstate and thats where the votes are.

 

[Snetsrak61]

One potential idea would be to combine 7A and 8A districts. Take the largest 128 schools. Split them up into 16 districts based on geography. You'd have mixed 7A & 8A districts. The top 4 in each district make the playoffs. Of those 64 schools the largest 32 play in 8A, the next 32 play in 7A.

By doing this you'd alleviate the St. Louis area schools travel issue. You'd be able to preserve more rivalries. You'd fix the DVC and other problems like it.

Under the expected enrollments and multipliers there are expected to be 6 private schools in 7 & 8A. You could bump up 2 more to have an all private district. There are expected to be 7 CPL schools, you could bump one up (Simeon?) to make an all CPL district (you could also move all of these schools down to be a 6A district).

I wonder how much impact going to six classes would have (i know it's never going to happen). Or create six 11-man football classe and one 8-man class?

 

[woody6]

This district proposal was nowhere near a mandate, which should be the case with an issue of such far-reaching magnitude. IHSA proposals should have voting requirements in place for the schools:

• eligibility to vote based upon actually competing in the sport
• naming schools in the above category who do not vote
• possibly list the schools with yes, no and abstain votes (what is the shroud of secrecy here?)
• establish a higher threshold percentage to pass a measure (e.g. 51% or higher of all schools competing in the sport)

Any additions or deletions to this list out there?

 

[Konza]

Everybody needs to read and re-read IHSA Policy 18, "Grouping and Seeding State Tournament Series". It makes it very clear that the objective of the State series in any sport is not necessarily to advance the best teams to the State Final.

NIUAlum2002's proposal is well intended but it does not square with Policy 18. This comes up often in other sports where the best programs are geographically concentrated.

The obvious difference between football and other sports is that, in other sports, all teams qualify for the state series. The IHSA could have almost pulled that off by shortening the football season to eight games and doubling the size of the playoff field. Only a handful of teams wouldn't have qualified, and those teams could have scheduled a ninth game against other non-qualifiers if they wished.

This arrangement is going to create more problems than it solves.

 

[Undercenter3rd1]

[

Everybody needs to read and re-read IHSA Policy 18, "Grouping and Seeding State Tournament Series". It makes it very clear that the objective of the State series in any sport is not necessarily to advance the best teams to the State Final.

NIUAlum2002's proposal is well intended but it does not square with Policy 18. This comes up often in other sports where the best programs are geographically concentrated.

The obvious difference between football and other sports is that, in other sports, all teams qualify for the state series. The IHSA could have almost pulled that off by shortening the football season to eight games and doubling the size of the playoff field. Only a handful of teams wouldn't have qualified, and those teams could have scheduled a ninth game against other non-qualifiers if they wished.

This arrangement is going to create more problems than it solves.

 

[Undercenter3rd1]

I don’t know anything about all that.Schools voted for something they have no idea what the results would be.Niulam2002s was really nice setup for more teams than the current conferences at least 4A to 8A which I’m more familiar with.