I seen possible Districts which aren’t in stone yet.Can you imagine CPS telling Kennedy & Kelly “Oh sorry you can’t make the state playoffs but you will play 3 Catholic teams & get beat by 40-60 points
IHSA membership votes for Football District Schedule
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Well maybe instead of the CCL leaving the IHSA it’s time to get the CPS out of the IHSA. Then people don’t have to complain about districts combining cps with montini or cps with Mt Carmel and St Rita or all CPS districts.
The CPS people are complaining now that the IHSA gets to rule on transfers into CPS school instead of them doing it themselves! Who do they think they are? Either they are their own governing body or they are a part of the IHSA.. they can’t have it both ways. So let them be sovereign and get them out of the IHSA.
Why??? They are IHSA members and have a stake in things. And how many non-football playing schools voted?
This is going to be a bloodbath. Taft beat Morgan Park and Hubbard this year and lost to Curie by only 4 points. SR put up 56 in the first half against Taft. I can see in 7A the CPS schools ALL just for forfeiting their games with MC and SR. The IHSA just setup the re-enactment of Custer’s Last Stand weekly on Friday nights. The only answer to avoid this is to put multiple CCL teams in the same division. Then those schools have the right to bitch about unequal treatment. This to me is the number reason this should have been voted down.
Yes. I also realize those member schools just gave the IHSA authority to set their regular season schedules from Weeks 3 to 9, thus increasing the IHSA's authority. Not a good thing, IMO.
You don't think the schools took a few minutes and looked at what their possible schedule would look like? Let me choose 10 schools and I bet you $20 the 7 schools in our district are on that list.
The City screws this whole thing up since the difference between the top and bottom is huge. In the suburbs districts will suck too but atleast there won’t be as many complete mismatches like the city. MC could potentially have a running clock in 5 or 6 of 7 district games.
I doubt it most Princpals problably looked at it as a time saver since they will no longer have to deal with conference realignment issues.
If you are in a rural area, I would agree. I'm not sure the Chicago area is as cut and dried. Read JCA AD Dan Sharp's comments in Edgy's article. He's not sure where his school is going to end up.
You seem to think you know the answer. You tell me. List 10 schools. Send it to Dan Sharp and tell him 7 of these 10 will be your opponents in 2021. I'm sure he'll be grateful for you input.
Draw a 30 mile circle around Joliet, good bet their games will come from 5A schools within that circle.
I am not saying I love the new system, but I am not in the camp that feels it is the end of IHSA football as we know it.
The only varsity game I saw this year was the Prep Bowl. SR worked very hard not to score in the second half. Right now Phillips is the flavor of the month and they get all the players they want. In prior years it was Simeon, Morgan Park and Hubbard. If everyone would go to school where they belong all of those schools would be a more competitive but no one would win any championships. That’s an issue the IHSA refuses to touch. Have to wonder if Marty Hickman is laughing his butt off drinking Piña Clada’s at his winter home in the U.S. Virgin Islands
My numbers are from Disabato’s column.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/subu...pt-football-ihsa-districts-st-1219-story.html
324 voted yes for districts
307 voted no
69 voted no opinion
118 schools did not vote at all
So 324 out of 818 schools voted yes for districts or 39.6%
Wow. Now that's some sound advice. And here I thought you could easily nail 7 of the 10.
If you saw my original post, I posted the numbers and accepted that the proposal passed 324-307. It is a rule now. No argument. I then said that during this two year window, a school may set forth another proposal revoking districts. Not arguing the validity of the passage, just pointing out that it’s possible some school can use the process again. Maybe or maybe not but you are correct, it is the law of the land due to being accepted through the IHSA’s process.
Maybe all the schools in cook county private and public could form for football only their own football playoffs. Shame Soldiers Field does not have field turf. Seeing 50K for a high school game is something the IHSA will never see.
Schools that don't have swimming, chess, eSports, LAX, vote on policies for those sports.
You couldnt be more wrong. CPS has NEVER been competitive as a whole. Even when there were fewer schools and higher enrollment you would still only see 1 or 2 schools that were able to compete with CCL and suburban teams come state playoff time. Most of these schools simply have sub par coaching and little to no support from administration. When districts are officially instituted I would not be surprised to see many CPS teams remove themselves from playoff consideration and create their own conferences and schedules.The Noble Street charter school network already does this.
I may be a little older than you but CVS and Lane were very good along with Taft. They had more players on the sidelines than the CCL did. The big difference was the CCL schools had grade school feeders with kids playing 4 and 5 years in organized grade schools leagues. As far as lack of support and coaching that's on the CPS administration. Look at the budget line by line. HQ costs are very top heavy. I would like nothing more than to see the CPS do well. Good for the kids and good for the city.
Have you ever been in a room trying to get them all to agree on something? Way to many factors, enrollment, geographic location, athletic prowess, academic rigor. Some schools are fighting to keep their the doors open, do you think they want to bash their head in against Loyola, Rice, and Marist every year?
Those are the same people who got mad because Little League said it was wrong for Jackie Robinson West to have kids from Bolingbrook & Indiana play there lol.
I don’t understand why the ihsa ever let cps rule on transfers into cps schools. It would make sense if the cps was separate and a student left an ihsa school for a cps school. Kind of like the NAIA should rule on eligibility of a player leaving an NCAA school and coming into the NAIA but as long as cps schools are competing against ihsa schools in the IHSA Playoffs why should the ihsa not rule on eligibility?!
The IHSA is not merely dictating (with the new rules) which teams will qualify for the playoffs, it is for the most part dictating each team's schedule. It is another case of a majority imposing its will on a minority through the centralization of power. Through that process it inevitably occurs that some members of the minority get taken advantage of. One example, in this case, is that high schools such as Moline will need to make three or four tremendously long road trips each year to play district games. These types of decisions frequently result in unintended consequences. It may be that over the course of five or six years the IHSA finds football being dropped at quite a few schools and fan attendance dropping at many schools that continue their football programs.
Looking at the below district I see the possibility of teams with a losing record getting into the playoffs. For argument sake lets say MC St. Pat's and SR beat the other five schools in District 6. They are in the playoffs regardless of what they do in the meaningless games 1 and 2. The other five schools go 2-2 or 3-1 against each other. So the other five are all either 3-4 or 2-5. Let’s say the team with 3 wins in the division loses both games 1 & 2. They are now 3-6 and are in the playoffs? Now a team from another division that is from a division with 9 teams (district 8). They win their one non-division game and have a better record in division but do not make the playoffs?
District 6 (8): Chicago (Hubbard), Chicago (Kelly), Chicago (Lincoln Park), Chicago (Mount Carmel), Chicago (Schurz), Chicago (St. Patrick), Chicago (St. Rita), Chicago (Von Steuben)
Am I missing something here? Am I not seeing the forest because all those trees are in the way? I thought it was tough for a 5-4 team not to make the playoffs because of the lack of playoff points but this looks ridiculous. Games 1 & 2 have to count or this is farce IMHO.
Looking at the rough projected divisions I could pick most of the 32 team bracket now for 2021 with some degree of accuracy. I think I read someone from the IHSA quoted in a downstate newspaper article that teams from the same division would not play each other for the first two rounds. That's good but would do away with 1-32 seeding which is bad. So it would be possible that the best teams in a given class could met in the first or second round. And the reason they passed this was?
St Pats playing an ESCC schedule this year went 5-4 and did NOT make the playoffs.
Yet teams from a weak conference could have a better record and not hold a candle to SP. I guess there is no perfect answer but if this district football thing goes into action as advertised SP should be in every year. The cost maybe destroying the CPS. I could see the CPS begging out after two years.
The CPS has for all intents and purposes been independent for years, different eligibility rules, different transfer rules, different practice standards.
The more I read this the more I am convinced the IHSA did not think this thru throughly. The better privates could be perpetually playoff bound
Take last year's 2-7 Brother Rice team. In District football they would have been playoff bound.
District 6 (9): Berwyn-Cicero (Morton), Chicago (Brother Rice), Chicago (Curie), Chicago (Marist), Chicago (Simeon), Hillside (Proviso West), Hinsdale (Central), LaGrange (Lyons), Palos Hills (Stagg)
Yeah.. that’s the way it’s supposed to work.... the “better” private AND public schools are supposed to qualify for the playoffs. Do you propose a system in which the inferior teams are the playoff qualifiers.
I see 4 team from that last year that COULD have finished ahead of them. And again you are basing your concrete opinions off of an assumed district which may be a complete fairytale after you see how it’s done by the IHSA when it counts.
And if they win the games and qualify then they deserve to qualify they won the games against other teams IN THEIR CLASS without rewarding teams for beating smaller schools... and the same way a team can get a good district draw which is relatively weak plenty of teams qualify now out of a weak conference so what’s the difference at least this addresses the classification issue. Nothing will ever adjust for district or conference strength unless they go to a computer RPI method.
Looking at the 2017 8A field.
It included OPRF, Curie, Glenbrook South, Bloom and Joliet West
You really do not think BR was better than any (or all?) of them?
