How deceiving are high school highlight tapes?

[ClownBaby]

With the rise of Twitter and Hudl the amount of highlight tapes out there currently is vast but are they really useful? It seems to me for many kids their highlights are almost exclusively from the games where they are playing 3 win teams and include nothing from the games where they are playing against top tier teams. I saw one QB who has almost 5 seconds and throws to a wide open kid down the field every time, he looks great doing it but is this realistic at the college level? I understand it the point is to make yourself look good but does this really help or just provide a distorted view about how good you really are? I'd rather see your highlights from the top tier competition.

Rant over.

 

[LHSTigers94]

With the rise of Twitter and Hudl the amount of highlight tapes out there currently is vast but are they really useful? It seems to me for many kids their highlights are almost exclusively from the games where they are playing 3 win teams and include nothing from the games where they are playing against top tier teams. I saw one QB who has almost 5 seconds and throws to a wide open kid down the field every time, he looks great doing it but is this realistic at the college level? I understand it the point is to make yourself look good but does this really help or just provide a distorted view about how good you really are? I'd rather see your highlights from the top tier competition.

Rant over.

Kids are chasing offers and college coaches are using offers for marketing.

 

[bronco man]

That, along with self reported measurables for some kids are from fantasy land. A few years ago a HS senior posted numbers on a recruiting site that as a high school WR would have landed him in the upper tier among wide receivers in the 2022 NFL combine.

 

[ClownBaby]

Kids are chasing offers and college coaches are using offers for marketing only to ghost the kids when it comes to actually signing.

Nothing worse then the way colleges throw out non-committable offers it’s just embarrassing, Nebraska offered 326 kids in 2021.

 

[bronco man]

Nothing worse then the way colleges throw out non-committable offers it’s just embarrassing, Nebraska offered 326 kids in 2021.

I never realized that colleges did that. Mechanically how does that work? Better yet how do colleges get away with giving out offers that a kid can't commit to? It would seem that calling an offer a "non-committable offer" is a contradiction in terms.

 

[eagles2k3]

Here's another thing kids are doing: speeding up the film so they look faster. I saw a college coach tweet about it. Ridiculous.

 

[ClownBaby]

I never realized that colleges did that. Mechanically how does that work? Better yet how do colleges get away with giving out offers that a kid can't commit to? It would seem that calling an offer a "non-committable offer" is a contradiction in terms.

They say here is your offer but you can’t accept it until you come to campus and we evaluate you or something along this lines.

 

[epicbret]

Pretty frequently you'll see a college coach tweet out what they like to see [full name, full school name, GPA, hudl. Etc...] and they all also always say the tapes are poorly done and they prefer to see actual game tape. If you're worthy, you'll pop on that tape

 

[chakazulu89]

Here's another thing kids are doing: speeding up the film so they look faster. I saw a college coach tweet about it. Ridiculous.

Hudl and Twitter are tools that colleges/ recruiters use now. I'm old school and want to see you in person to see if you are the real deal. Its not a knock but as @ClownBaby stated, I want to see some of these kids play against some real competition as well. I want to see how well they play under pressure with the game on the line, playing against legit teams. No powder puffs.. LOL It's all good stacking your numbers against "running clock" teams, but how about those contenders. In those instances though, you play who was scheduled, you can't dictate that.
There has been many people tell me that hudl does not do my kid any justice, and seeing him live I didn't know he was that quick.

 

[PowerI66]

If you are a recruiter and you can't see the difference of good talent vs bad talent on film, then you have a big problem

 

[mc140]

Stood next to a kid listed as 6'3 the same height as me this season. I am nowhere near 6'3. Same team had a kid listed a 6'5 who was shorter than our player who was actually 6'3.

 

[EdgyTim]

It all shakes out in the end and any program that recruits off a Hudl only video won't be coaching/recruiting for long. I'm also "old school" and do my best to see many of the kids in person. The extending of "offers" has gotten at times out of hand and the schools who do things the right way seem to have success regardless....and I haven't even gotten into the flat out lies out there more and more from kids/parents/handlers and high school coaches regarding offers.

 

[crusader_of_90]

Stood next to a kid listed as 6'3 the same height as me this season. I am nowhere near 6'3. Same team had a kid listed a 6'5 who was shorter than our player who was actually 6'3.

He is actually 6'5. With the Afro, 6'9.

 

[jha618]

Here's another thing kids are doing: speeding up the film so they look faster. I saw a college coach tweet about it. Ridiculous.

Its pretty common. Most of the time, coaches will say they wont accept a commitment from one of those kids until they get on campus for a visit, etc. And then the staff just slow plays the kid setting up a visit. Just one example why its important for kids to be surrounded by ppl who know how to navigate the recruiting process.

 

[Bwm57]

Interesting that it seems a lot of schools, at the bottom of least number of offered, did really well last year.
Maybe they are offering the right kids?

 

[NNFAN]

Looking at that list... I wonder how accurate it is from top to bottom. How could Stanford only offer 27 kids? They would have to get a commitment from almost everyone offered to complete a class. Maybe each school has their own standard of what is considered an "offer". We all know that even the Alabama's and Ohio State's don't get everyone they want.

 

[turner1014]

Looking at that list... I wonder how accurate it is from top to bottom. How could Stanford only offer 27 kids? They would have to get a commitment from almost everyone offered to complete a class. Maybe each school has their own standard of what is considered an "offer". We all know that even the Alabama's and Ohio State's don't get everyone they want.

Stanford is unique in that you have to get accepted into the school before a scholarship is offered so that limits who will get into the school and why they have so few offered scholarships. Their academics are another reason so many of their 5th yr seniors transfer because getting into a grad program is not easy

 

[kwamizee]

Hudl and Twitter are tools that colleges/ recruiters use now. I'm old school and want to see you in person to see if you are the real deal. Its not a knock but as @ClownBaby stated, I want to see some of these kids play against some real competition as well. I want to see how well they play under pressure with the game on the line, playing against legit teams. No powder puffs.. LOL It's all good stacking your numbers against "running clock" teams, but how about those contenders. In those instances though, you play who was scheduled, you can't dictate that.
There has been many people tell me that hudl does not do my kid any justice, and seeing him live I didn't know he was that quick.

Hard to do that when HS games are in Friday and college games are on Saturday afternoons. Believe or not coaches know how to watch film. Only time to really see you move in person is at a camp.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Hard to do that when HS games are in Friday and college games are on Saturday afternoons. Believe or not coaches know how to watch film. Only time to really see you move in person is at a camp.

They come to games if they are really interested. Camp is a good way to show your skills.

 

[USD24]

Interesting that it seems a lot of schools, at the bottom of least number of offered, did really well last year.
Maybe they are offering the right kids?

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IDK.. In the final AP top 10 rankings, two of the schools,(Wash and TCU) were near the bottom, two of the schools (Michigan and Tenn) were near the top and the rest were pretty much spread out. Based on final rankings, there really doesn't seem to be any correlation between success/failure and number of offers put out.

1. Georgia 32
2. TCU 60
3. Michigan 7
4. OSU 37
5 Bama 35
6. Tenn 2
7. PSU 13
8. Wash 63
9. Tulane N/A
10. Utah 41

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[Bwm57]

IDK.. In the final AP top 10 rankings, two of the schools,(Wash and TCU) were near the bottom, two of the schools (Michigan and Tenn) were near the top and the rest were pretty much spread out. Based on final rankings, there really doesn't seem to be any correlation between success/failure and number of offers put out.

1. Georgia 32
2. TCU 60
3. Michigan 7
4. OSU 37
5 Bama 35
6. Tenn 2
7. PSU 13
8. Wash 63
9. Tulane N/A
10. Utah 41

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I guess it depends on how you look at it.
If you look at the final AP rankings then 6 of the bottom 10 as far as offers finished in the AP top 25.

 

[jha618]

Stanford is unique in that you have to get accepted into the school before a scholarship is offered so that limits who will get into the school and why they have so few offered scholarships. Their academics are another reason so many of their 5th yr seniors transfer because getting into a grad program is not easy

I'm almost 99% positive that's not true. I know several kids offered by stanford that havent beem accepted in to school. Some soph and jrs who hadnt even taken a standardized test yet (this was prior to covid before making act/sat optional for applicants)

Also, if a 5th yr senior with remaining eligibility wants to continue playing at Stanford, he/she will get in to a grad program there. Its is extremely rare for an athlete to graduate from a university and then said university tells them they are unqualified to enter a grad program.

 

[jha618]

Hard to do that when HS games are in Friday and college games are on Saturday afternoons. Believe or not coaches know how to watch film. Only time to really see you move in person is at a camp.

Ive seen gary pinkel, eli drinkwitz and lovie smith all fly in in helicopters to see kids play they are recruiting. Colleges also have a bye week or 2. And their recruiting budgets often include a private plane which makes it alot easier.

 

[jha618]

Looking at that list... I wonder how accurate it is from top to bottom. How could Stanford only offer 27 kids? They would have to get a commitment from almost everyone offered to complete a class. Maybe each school has their own standard of what is considered an "offer". We all know that even the Alabama's and Ohio State's don't get everyone they want.

Not sure where that list came from, but its def not accurate. Even rivals shows Stanford offered 70+ kids in 2021.

 

[mc140]

Ive seen gary pinkel, eli drinkwitz and lovie smith all fly in in helicopters to see kids play they are recruiting. Colleges also have a bye week or 2. And their recruiting budgets often include a private plane which makes it alot easier.

I have also seen position coaches on bye week show up at high school games.