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JCHillmen said:
I think it's a tiered thing. The good division/bad division thing is bad for Joliet West and Plainfield South. This is because they are programs that might not be good enough for the good division but are way better than the other four in the bad division. PFC. PFE, Joliet Central, and Romeoville NEED the bad division to have a chance at 3-4 wins and maybe an outside prayer at 5 wins.

If I were West of PFS and was dreaming about more than just winning 4-5 games, I would be very dissatisfied in the bad league. The expectation there is to win your terrible division and, in doing so, you probably coast for 4 of the final 5 regular season games. They are beyond that as a goal for their program. I would think they are looking to win playoff games. I know going 7-2 or 8-1 in the bad league means you might have a chance to steal a round one victory. But really playing nobody for over half your schedule makes it unlikely to every win more than the lucky first round game. I realize going 5-4 in the good side leaves you likely against an undefeated team in round 1, but at least you would be playing traditionally decent programs like Oswego, the Brook, and Plainfield North each week to leave you with some callouses and a chance at a run.

But this all gets back to this league having a weird track record. The Brook is new to the league, so their history doesn't count. Oswego has a proud tradition, but hasn't been "Oswego" for much of the last decade until this season. Other than that, I believe I can recall Plainfield North making one run to the state finals. I know 7A and 8A can be meat grinders, but I really feel like this league should have quite a few more semifinal and quarterfinal runs on the regular. I can't put my finger on how to get that level of achievement, but would be curious to hear suggestions. Ultimately, an infusion of new blood is probably the answer. The Brook was a good start if they can ever right the ship. Would love to see the Lincoln Ways or Lockport added to the mix, however unlikely that may be. Or perhaps the DVC is a better merger partner with the SWP.
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BRING IN THE THREE VALLEYS FROM THE DVC
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Feetos Friday Upset Special.......

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I'm off to a tough start on the hunt for Upsets this year, but that all changes tonight. This week we'll go out to the West Suburban Silver for a conference schedule opening battle. This week's upset is...... The 0-2 Hilltoppers of Glenbard West over the undefeated #7 ranked Trojans of Downers Grove North. The Hitters are winless so far,but they've played 2 monsters in Batavia and Loyola. Their problem has been defense, which is usually their strong point. DGN on the other hand has not given up a point yet this year. However, they haven't been close to tested. The Hitters are not O'Fallon or DGS. I like visiting Glenbard West tonight. Final score Hitters 28 - DGN 21. That's this week's upset. What are your thoughts and who is your upset?
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missingwalter said:
“Oswego has a proud tradition, but hasn't been "Oswego" for much of the last decade until this season.”

Huh? I’ll give you 21, 22 and 23 we’re off years (even though they made the playoffs two of those years). The seven years before that, however, they won the conference six times, had a couple quarterfinal runs and typically lost to some of the top-tier programs in 8a (LWE, Bolingbrook, Loyola)
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I count 3 quarterfinal appearances and 0 semis since Hoinkes left after 2006.

Perhaps he set an impossibly high standard, but 3 quarterfinal appearances and zero semis in nearly 2 decades isn't up to the (very) high standard of the previous two decades.

Not a criticism of their last two decades as much as it is a nod to the zenith. And yes, I know the zenith was largely in lower classes, so it's not apples to apples.

Perhaps the compliment here is that I consider them like Maine South in that I expect them to win their conference just about every year. So that feather in the cap really doesn't count. Unfair I am sure, but when you are like Maine South or Owego and just have so much more tradition and expectation than all the "peers" in your league, the measurement tends to come exclusively from postseason success. Again, I am sure this is unfair, just an explanation of why I used those words.
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Southwest Prairie thread

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“Oswego has a proud tradition, but hasn't been "Oswego" for much of the last decade until this season.”

Huh? I’ll give you 21, 22 and 23 we’re off years (even though they made the playoffs two of those years). The seven years before that, however, they won the conference six times, had a couple quarterfinal runs and typically lost to some of the top-tier programs in 8a (LWE, Bolingbrook, Loyola)
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MMXXIV Edition - CCL-ESCC Predictions Week III

ignazio
I like the way Buffoon and Ramey are thinking.

SR @ BR
Crusaders need a bounce back. Quick.
Naz @ MC
Roadrunners could pull the upset, but I need to take the Caravan.
ICP @ SI
Pack coming off a rivalry loss, Knights coming off a, what? Your opponent ICP'd you? Wolfpack.
SF @ LA
Going with Hoerster Field at Sachs Stadium on Holecek Complex.
MCHS @ Marist
All aboard the 'Skins train.
F @ JC
Hilltoppers.
CoM @ PC
Celtic.
SL @ ND
Vikes.
SV @ MA
Cadets
BA @ DLS
Meteors.
SP @ Leo
Lions.
DP @ Marian, Heights
Rams.
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cpacmel said:
This is the ultimate Catch 22 situation though. Probably more so for Plainfield South, but they need the "bad" side of the division to hit 5 wins most years. Joliet West can sometimes steal a crossover win or 2.
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I think it's a tiered thing. The good division/bad division thing is bad for Joliet West and Plainfield South. This is because they are programs that might not be good enough for the good division but are way better than the other four in the bad division. PFC. PFE, Joliet Central, and Romeoville NEED the bad division to have a chance at 3-4 wins and maybe an outside prayer at 5 wins.

If I were West of PFS and was dreaming about more than just winning 4-5 games, I would be very dissatisfied in the bad league. The expectation there is to win your terrible division and, in doing so, you probably coast for 4 of the final 5 regular season games. They are beyond that as a goal for their program. I would think they are looking to win playoff games. I know going 7-2 or 8-1 in the bad league means you might have a chance to steal a round one victory. But really playing nobody for over half your schedule makes it unlikely to every win more than the lucky first round game. I realize going 5-4 in the good side leaves you likely against an undefeated team in round 1, but at least you would be playing traditionally decent programs like Oswego, the Brook, and Plainfield North each week to leave you with some callouses and a chance at a run.

But this all gets back to this league having a weird track record. The Brook is new to the league, so their history doesn't count. Oswego has a proud tradition, but hasn't been "Oswego" for much of the last decade until this season. Other than that, I believe I can recall Plainfield North making one run to the state finals. I know 7A and 8A can be meat grinders, but I really feel like this league should have quite a few more semifinal and quarterfinal runs on the regular. I can't put my finger on how to get that level of achievement, but would be curious to hear suggestions. Ultimately, an infusion of new blood is probably the answer. The Brook was a good start if they can ever right the ship. Would love to see the Lincoln Ways or Lockport added to the mix, however unlikely that may be. Or perhaps the DVC is a better merger partner with the SWP.
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JCHillmen said:
Agreed. It's a really weird league in both makeup and how they divide it. Not sure how long they will stick with the "good" and "bad" division, but it's interesting that it's lasted this long.

If I was Joliet West or Plainfield South I would be kind of frustrated that I may find my way to 6-8 wins and then get the doors blown off in week 1 of the playoffs because weeks 5-9 of the regular season offered all of 1 game that wasn't a mismatch.
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This is the ultimate Catch 22 situation though. Probably more so for Plainfield South, but they need the "bad" side of the division to hit 5 wins most years. Joliet West can sometimes steal a crossover win or 2.
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So AP polls are back...sorta

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crusader_of_90 said:
I do not care of CG is ranked ahead but I am stymied by ESL having 6 first place votes compared to 2, but they rank 2nd. How?
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Cary Grove had 74 points in the poll, so they were in second place of all six polls East STL was first in. East St. Louis had 72 points, so the two voters that did not rank them first had them in fifth place on average.
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MMXXIV Edition - CCL-ESCC Predictions Week III

RameyJacoby
This week I'll take these teams
Rice- They bounce back o_O
Naz- I like road runners in this one / come from behind win
ICP- Iggy play calling is suspect IMO
LA- Shouldn't lose again! MC?:D
Marist- Semi-Finals you heard it by me first;)
JC- Have they figure out the run Game?
CoM- Young QB is nice they are a few pieces away, Transfers,Transfer ,Transfer is what they missing
St Laurence - Please pick better non conference schedule
Benet - Must stay healthy last Two game plus MC Yikes:oops:
St. Pat- SHOULD BE 2-0 play calling will help or hurt them in big games
DePaul - THEY TOUGH:cool:
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So AP polls are back...sorta

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Guys, it's the AP. Why are you worrying over it? As Edgy mentioned there are issues there and they are seeking voters. This tells me they don't have the right resources in place to accurately rank teams. Plus, do you think AP voters are actually out every weekend watching games? AP rankings for Illinois high school football are beyond meaningless.
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